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SadSouthernBuck 
Ohio State Fan
Las Vegas
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| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:11 pm to RedStar)
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I mean, c'mon Carlisle Indian School
October 3, 1908 Young Men's Gymnastic Club-New Orleans* State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 41–0
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alajones 
LSU Fan
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Member since Oct 2005
19258 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:12 pm to Baloo)
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I don't know of anyone who claims as Sagarin Rating title as a legit title. I'm not saying no one does, but I can't think of anyone who does.
I may be assuming things.
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alajones
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| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:13 pm to alajones)
OP you really need to edit your first post unless you want to keep getting history lessons.
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Tommy Patel 
Cal State Fullerton Fan
New baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2006
5996 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:18 pm to RedStar)
in short I'm not sure that it was recognized by the college governing body yet. It was definately violent.
College football increased in popularity through the remainder of the 19th century. It also became increasingly violent. Between 1890 and 1905, 330 college athletes died as a direct result of injuries sustained on the football field. These deaths could be attributed to the mass formations and gang tackling that characterized the sport in its early years. In 1906, President Theodore Roosevelt organized a meeting among thirteen school leaders at the White House to find solutions to make the sport safer for the athletes. Because the college officials could not agree upon a change in rules, it was decided over the course of several subsequent meetings that an external governing body should be responsible. Resulting from this conference was the formation of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States in 1906. The IAAUS was the original rule making body of college football, but would go on to sponsor championships in other sports. The IAAUS would get its current name of National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), in 1910 which still sets rules governing the sport.[8] The rules committee considered widening the playing field to "open up" the game, but Harvard Stadium (the first large permanent football stadium) had recently been built at great expense; it would be rendered useless by a wider field. The rules committee legalized the forward pass instead. The first legal pass was thrown by Bradbury Robinson on September 5, 1906, playing for coach Eddie Cochems, who developed an early but sophisticated passing offense at Saint Louis University. Another rule change banned "mass momentum" plays (many of which, like the infamous "flying wedge", were sometimes literally deadly).
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RedStar 
Alabama Fan
Member since Aug 2011
53 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:18 pm to jmarto1)
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I'm fine not being like Bama
Sounds like that's the basis for not wanting to claim it, which is childish.
The feeling I keep getting is that acknowledging this title would be akin to making it up. That's not the case. It's not like LSU went 7-3 and one day some doofus with a computer decided: "Hey Let's give LSU an extra Title!" and everyone jumped on board.
No, LSU went 10-0, they didn't just beat everyone, they decimated everyone. They won all 10 games by an average score of 44-1. That's unheard of. To this day, that 1908 team still holds several records including most ppg. To ignore them is a disservice to LSU.
Ignore the title if you like, but to do so on the basis I've seen here is beyond childish. Acknowledging this title should have nothing to do with Alabama. Stop letting them control your every thought.
1908 was more than earned and deserves a spot on the southern scoreboard of Tiger Stadium.
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RedStar
Alabama Fan
Member since Aug 2011
53 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:21 pm to alajones)
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OP you really need to edit your first post unless you want to keep getting history lessons.
Haha, nah. It's better this way. The people who only like the sound of their own voice keep outing themselves 
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Tommy Patel
Cal State Fullerton Fan
New baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2006
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| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:22 pm to TxTiger82)
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1908 is a legitimate National Championship by the standards of the time.
I agree
Here's the catch. THERE WERE NO STANDARDS AT THE TIME.
wrong
Resulting from this conference was the formation of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States in 1906. The IAAUS was the original rule making body of college football, but would go on to sponsor championships in other sports. The IAAUS would get its current name of National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), in 1910 which still sets rules governing the sport.
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tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
2019 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:37 pm to nvasil1)
nvasil1
In his article he doesn't do a very good job on the breakdown. When you look postion by position then you see where the talent is or isn't.
Also there is a key team to look at to look to see at what level all the teams are playing at:
Haskell Indian School (nations)
Football back then is very different than today, and one can look at common scores to get a good idea of where teams stood in that era.
Jim Thrope played on the 1907 and 08 Carlisle teams, then played Pro Baseball 2 years in the Caroline League before heading back to Carlisle to play the 1911-12 seasons.
Also Pop paid his players up until the 1909 season right at 10.50 a game. Then he used a credit line systems to give players money from the store on campus. Needless to say Jim had a large credit line at the time.
Jim was a ture pro in every season and in every way for those times. But do not think Pop is the only one doing this, other schools had other ways to get money to the players.
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COACHFERRELL
LSU Fan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2010
113 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:14 pm to RedStar)
Every now and then this topic pops up, and it seems like a legitimate question. We might as well claim it, especially seeing has how dominate the team was. I mean, we do claim a pre-tournament basketball title right?
Maybe someone should contact the school? 
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GeauxTigerTM
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2006
9382 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:18 pm to COACHFERRELL)
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Maybe someone should contact the school?
This is the only real answer. One of LSU's 37 or so associate AD's is usually pretty good about responding to e-mails. Why not simply pose this question directly to the university and get their answer?
I'd assume they have consciously made the decision, at least to this point, to not recognize it...ask them why.
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Bayou_Bengal@Irving
LSU Fan
Monterey CA
Member since Feb 2005
1252 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:22 pm to IAmReality)
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No AP championship has ever been vacated.
Correct, the AP has allowed teams on probation in its poll & voted them as nat'l champs.
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Bayou_Bengal@Irving
LSU Fan
Monterey CA
Member since Feb 2005
1252 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:26 pm to RedStar)
It would've been nice if LSU had acknowledged this title in '08 for the 100th yr anniversary.Actually, decades earlier would've been better so maybe some surviving members could've been honored during a game at halftime. At least we would've had something for which to cheer that season other than skull-dragging GA Tech in the Peach Bowl.
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jmarto1
LSU Fan
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Member since Mar 2008
10055 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:42 am to RedStar)
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I'm fine not being like Bama
Sounds like that's the basis for not wanting to claim it, which is childish.
I actually think you're getting caught up on Bama. Yes we like to harp on them bu they are just the prime example of claiming titles that may or may not have legitimacy. You're right about the 1908 title. It is pretty cut and dry. What I'm getting from the rhetoric in here is that you have to accept the major selection system all or none. You can't say it worked great one year and it didn't the next. Otherwise you get a USC 2003-2004 type of situation. 2003 was bull shite to them but the system "got it right" the next year.
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TheDude321
Alabama
Member since Sep 2005
831 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:03 am to MetryTyger)
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So we actually have 6 'Alabama' national titles on top of our 3 consensus ones.
Actually, LSU has 11 national titles when counted "Alabama-style": LINK.
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LSUROCKS52 
USA Fan
Rest in Peace
Member since Oct 2003
45 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:22 am to TheDude321)
I believe we should claim it bc it is listed on the NCAA website LINK
It is funny how we claim a title in basketball from 1935 but not this football title
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The Boat
LSU Fan
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Member since Oct 2008
46968 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:48 am to LSUROCKS52)
The basketball title is my biggest issue against not claiming 1908.
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lsutigertalk
LSU Fan
At Death Valley
Member since Apr 2004
2109 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/12/12 at 4:26 am to The Boat)
Claiming a title over a century later is very Bama esq. "What does Bama have to do with this?" Well never claiming a title in over a century and all of a sudden saying we have 4 titles is exactly what they would do. As an LSU fan I like to believe we are better than using Bama magicians and having national titles magically appear on our total.
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RedStar
Alabama Fan
Member since Aug 2011
53 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:22 am to lsutigertalk)
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Claiming a title over a century later is very Bama esq. "What does Bama have to do with this?" Well never claiming a title in over a century and all of a sudden saying we have 4 titles is exactly what they would do. As an LSU fan I like to believe we are better than using Bama magicians and having national titles magically appear on our total.
It's not magically appearing, it's been there the whole time, LSU just hasn't acknowledged it. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?
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Cincinnati Bowtie
Oral Roberts Fan
Kenner, LA
Member since May 2008
3490 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:48 am to IAmReality)
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There's only one BS Title Bama claims and that's 1941
bullshite, I was in Tulane Stadium New Years Eve in 1973 and saw #1 Bama LOSE to #2 Notre Dame, 24-23, yet because UPI didn't do a poll after Bowl Games, Bama claims it.
THIS is a BS NC.
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madmaxvol
East Tennessee St. Fan
Member since Oct 2011
390 posts
| re: 1908 National Champions (Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:36 am to UcobiaA)
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Carlisle Indian School was good back then. Pop Warner was the coach and I think Jim Thorpe was on the team in that time frame.
I think you are right...Thorpe played for the '07 team and was part of the 26-6 win over top ranked Penn. They were giant killers.
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