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Taxing Authority 
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Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 11:24 am to doubleb)
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have you ever heard the teacher's unions put forward real solutions other than to give themselves a pay raise???
Nope.
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KrushGroove 
Southeastern LA Fan
Member since Jun 2012
398 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 11:33 am to doubleb)
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have you ever heard the teacher's unions put forward real solutions other than to give themselves a pay raise???
Yes, I have. I don't know the details of the Michigan walkout, so I don't know what, if anything, they have proposed.
And even though I don't agree with some of the proposals they've put forward, there are proposals advanced by teachers to be considered. It might not make the news, but it's happened. It's happened in Chicago regarding improving resources, Louisiana regarding assessment alternatives (incl portfolios and different criteria weighting as an example), it's happened in Canada with regard to student class sizes.
And there are countless examples of boards where teachers have accepted salary freezes because of budget restrictions.
So it's not always about the money. That's not the same thing as it's never about the money, because obviously it is sometimes. But there are also times when money is involved in the process, that teachers have accepted pay freezes or accepted cuts in pay and benefits for additional security.
I've heard lots of proposals put forth by educators and researchers in education during strikes and negotiations. But I'm also not tied to a union nor am I tied to one side of the issue or the other, so I see the merits of arguments for both sides.
And it's not always about the money for both sides, either.
This post was edited on 12/11 at 11:34 am
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doubleb
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
2865 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 11:54 am to KrushGroove)
I probably cast too wide of a net.
Here in La. teacher unions hardly ever put out proposals to improve student education.
I am not saying never, but it's close to never.
The Michigan teachers are walking out to support their union brethern who oppose the new Michigan right to work laws.
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ApexTiger
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cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
28133 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 12:01 pm to doubleb)
the President says this isn't about economics but about politics
Is this a true statement? if so, what politics are being waged here? What does he mean?
I am so naive, I just assumed if I went to anyplace of employment I had the right to not join a union...under my civil liberties
I just fail to understand Liberal thinking
Freedom of choice for Mothers aborting unborn babies (a war on women if you are against abortion), but not for freedom of choice for work without a union? (war on workers)
Can libs actually have it both ways?
It's a mess!!
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UGATiger26 
Georgia Fan
Athens, GA
Member since Dec 2009
1135 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 12:08 pm to ApexTiger)
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the President says this isn't about economics but about politics Is this a true statement? if so, what politics are being waged here? What does he mean? I am so naive, I just assumed if I went to anyplace of employment I had the right to not join a union...under my civil liberties I just fail to understand Liberal thinking
Even if it WERE about politics, it's Michigan's politics, and Obama needs to stay out of it and concentrate on federal matters...you know...his job.
How are we doing on those fiscal cliff matters Mr. President?
It's a joke how people can say with a straight face that this man is a great leader.
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hawkster
Member since Aug 2010
4475 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 12:16 pm to ApexTiger)
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the President says this isn't about economics but about politics
Says the man who is out campaigning to voters for his position on the fiscal cliff instead of working with the representatives that the people have already elected to address the matter. What a lying, hypocritical, manipulative POS he is.
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ApexTiger
LSU Fan
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
28133 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 12:17 pm to UGATiger26)
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It's a joke how people can say with a straight face that this man is a great leader.
he is good at leading people in the wrong direction, I give him that much
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stat19 
USA Fan
Member since Feb 2011
8309 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:07 pm to Lsut81)
Forward!
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Chimlim
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
10335 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:09 pm to stat19)
So, what exactly is the purpose of a union?
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Lsut81
LSU Fan
Member since Jun 2005
54810 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:20 pm to Chimlim)
Bunch of educated and civil people out there 
LINK
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BugAC
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
13805 posts
| re: Michigan Teachers and Nurses Walkout (Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:43 pm to a want)
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the de-unionization of the country is a good thing.
The first thing i agree with you on since 2011.
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