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petar
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Guess i ought to follow you around for a while and send in anon. tips to your work, cops, and other parties that might be disappointed in your work.

These guys did not make a mistake, they caused no harm, if they had then yes, fire them






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This is not the standard policy for jobs that involve heavy machinery..

Did they make a mistake? get hurt? No, well who the frick cares what they do on their lunch break.

As someone who has worked in manufacturing for years, reasonable suspicion has been a part of standard policy for places that I've worked. You sign and acknowledge this when hired on. It doesn't just take an incident to compel a drug or alcohol test.






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RogerTheShrubber
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where ive worked in similar scenarios, it took an incident to start an investigation into such activities then a zero policy approach.

But could be a little outdated


Not any more. I guess it depends on the companies HR policy, but any suspicion they may can give you a breath test on site.

Let's put it this way. You hear an employee is drinking, you let him continue working and he kills someone with a forklift, It's your arse on the line. Companies protect themselves and I understand why.






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They were on break but I don't know of one job that allows you to drink on your lunch break, especially if you're dealing with machinery


I am curious to know about which portion of the contract the grievance was filed. Which portion of the contract did the arbitrator decide was violated by the company? And I'd also be real curious to read the arbitrator's decision.






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ZZTIGERS
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Let's put it this way. You hear an employee is drinking, you let him continue working and he kills someone with a forklift, It's your arse on the line. Companies protect themselves and I understand why.

Had something like this happen, sans killing anyone. Female forklift driver was about 5 minutes into her shift, when it was evidently clear she was hammered. 10 minutes into her shift, she was given a breathalyzer, and never heard from again.... She wasn't given time to damage property or kill anyone.






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Guess i ought to follow you around for a while and send in anon. tips to your work, cops, and other parties that might be disappointed in your work.

These guys did not make a mistake, they caused no harm, if they had then yes, fire them


Guys, this guy is a troll without a doubt. Noone in his right mind is this fricking ignorant.






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ZZTIGERS
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I just take it that some people don't have an appreciation of heavy machinery, and the damage it can cause if operated by unqualified or impaired people. Hell, sometimes accidents and even fatalities happen when everything is done right. Never underestimate the power any type of machinery, especially in a manufacturing setting.

I'll chalk this one up to ignorance.






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Guys, this guy is a troll without a doubt. Noone in his right mind is this fricking ignorant.



No. He's just an ultra liberal who will defend unions blindly.






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Zahrim
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Not any more. I guess it depends on the companies HR policy, but any suspicion they may can give you a breath test on site.


Being in the power generation industry i know for a fact if they suspect you are drunk or using drugs they will "random" test you and a few other people and if you are positive you WILL be terminated on the spot.

There were a couple of guys one day at a GE training seminar, they were overheard saying they were out the night before using drugs. The managers heard this, yanked them and 3 other people in the seminar for random testing, the two jokers tested positive for heroine, were terminated when the test came back, the other three guys were clean and kept their jobs.

Random testing is really not random.






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Champagne
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there is 0 tolerance policies for all non union companies for this type of shenanigans. if there is an accident and you test positive for pot or fail a breath test, you are fired, period.


This is just wrong. In order for the Radical New Left to annihilate the Old America, we must promote union membership that will fight for the rights of union auto workers to get drunk at lunch time and build cars in the afternoon.







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Random testing is really not random.


It's the union's job to insist on adequate investigation that will prove or disprove the "randomness" of the testing. If the Management fails to prove randomness beyond a reasonable doubt, the Union's argument of unjust targeting should prevail.

If I were a Union agitator, I would persist until this legal paradigm were established.






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Bayou Sam
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They were fired because a right wing news organization filmed them in order to make unions look bad. This thread is full of the **pussification** of america.





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petar
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No. He's just an ultra liberal who will defend unions blindly.


I just think its obvious that this wasn't the first time they had done this. And i think one beer during lunch break hardly impairs someone to not operate heavy machinery. 2 beers is probably good too.. at least thats the .08 rate right?

Is this really that obnoxious of an idea? It looked like a tall can. probably had a 24 ounce at lunch. He can still drive according to our government. I feel that he can still probably safely operate in a factory.






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Man, I really hope you are just young & dumb.

I have seen two fatal accidents involving heavy machinery first hand. It is as gruesome as you would imagine.

If I were put in a situation, working next to you in a factory, where the slightest impairment caused you to put me in jeapordy of getting hurt or killed - you would have major problems, guaranteed.






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Guess you see nothing wrong with airline pilots throwing a few back before taking off with 200 souls on board.

My God some people are stupid!






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According to the UAW you can't be fired for pissing into the coolant system of a ten million dollar machine, an incident that was videotaped. The UAW went on strike for "unfair labor practices", a bunch on "uneducated rednecks and cajuns" went to that facility when called. The scabs produced more units of the same products in less time than the UAW.





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ChineseBandit58
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Man lot of people here care what people do off of work...

another example of the willfully ignorant, blind, and stupid.






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ChineseBandit58
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Random testing is really not random.

I can't really tell if you think this is a good or bad situation.

Why can't random testing co-exist with some targeted testing?

If you were 'randomly' checking for drunk drivers by pulling over every tenth automobile, would the test be invalidated if a group of cars went past where it was hard to determine the exact number? What if you just lost count - would the rest of the checkpoint be invalidated because you tested one of only 9 cars?

Now suppose that you didn't lose count and you see a car weaving back and forth approaching, but it was only the 9th car - would your paradigm of 'randomness' require you to allow that one to pass and stop the next one?

This is all silly - there is NOTHING wrong with PROFILING in any serious attempt to stop some truly egregious behavior.

Racial, religious, behavior profiling included.






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Zahrim
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I can't really tell if you think this is a good or bad situation.


I am all for it. There needs to be the appearance of randomness but company managers work on a targeted as well as random basis. If they have information they will act on it. Like I said previously, power generation companies have 0 tolerance for this crap, it was a wind turbine seminar this happened at.

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Bayou Sam
They were fired because a right wing news organization filmed them in order to make unions look bad. This thread is full of the **pussification** of america.


They were fired because drinking and doing drugs on the job is unsafe and can get people killed, you retard. If you cannot understand that simple concept, perhaps you should go work with heavy machinery while drunk. I hope you loose a limb or two or fall off a wind turbine, you fool.

ETA this is not the 1950's anymore.

LINK

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OSHA recognizes that impairment by drug or alcohol use can constitute an avoidable workplace hazard and that drug-free workplace programs can help improve worker safety and health and add value to American businesses. OSHA strongly supports comprehensive drug-free workforce programs, especially within certain workplace environments, such as those involving safety-sensitive duties like operating machinery.





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Just when I think the resident libtards can't get dumber, we have this thread lol.





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