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Interesting Quote In This Day of Demonizing Success


Contempt for happiness is usually contempt for other people's happiness, and is an elegant disguise for hatred of the human race. ”

— Bertrand Russell


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Very true.

People on the left love to talk about "rich people and their greed." The funny thing is that coveting (one of those ten "thou shall nots") is the greed that consumes and builds the left their base. Socialism is built upon violating that commandment.






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Bertrand Russell nails it.

Let me make a corrollary argument. Not only is it "contempt for happiness", but it is contempt for "simple happiness". It is the simple things, the time-tested things that draw the sharpest rebuke from the self-appointed Revolutionary.

Every Leftist on this board has contempt for the simple things, the traditional things, the status-quo things....and feels they should be discredited and or marginalized.

For instance, the sharpest reaction I ever got from Rex was when I questioned him on his obvious dissatisfaction with his own life, his disdain for traditional principles,traditions and ideals and how this manifested itself into obvious misanthropy.

The Leftist is unhappy, struggles with his place in society and feels compelled to ENDLESSLY TINKER with the societal fabric of America. Theirs is a search for existential meaning based on personal unhappiness. As if this is not bad enough, they project this unhappiness onto the rest of us, and we are forced to grapple with all their insecurities and resentments against us as a simple matter of just defending our culture.

It's maddening.
The unhappiest amongst us are the ones with the greatest effect on our American lives.






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I mostly see a lot of unhappy Republicans....and if this board is any indication, they're not only unhappy, they are very, very angry.





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People on the left love to talk about "rich people and their greed."


What is funny is that the underlying assumptions of the prgressive argument about "paying a fair share" is that those "rich":
(1) are actually rich...which $250K per year is far from rich;
(2) that those that make $250K per year did not work hard to be in that position, but instead did so by screwing those that don't make that much.

They basically assume that anyone who is rich inherited their money and that money comes from screwing those that are not wealthy. It also necessarily assumes that they are white.

The funny thing is that the people running down those with success, including Obama, don't check the box on their tax returns to pay more money than is owed to the government. They all take advantage of tax breaks and loopholes.






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Demonizing Success


This is silly. Success and money are placed on a pedestal in the U.S. More so than any country in the world. It is basically placed above all else in this country.






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Contempt for happiness is usually contempt for other people's happiness, and is an elegant disguise for hatred of the human race. ”
Meh, perhaps an elegant disguise for selfishness and self-loathing.

The OP proposition does not translate across all circumstances of the human race or humanity though. e.g., Jews in 1940 Germany were probably contemptuous of Nazi happiness, and that was for cause.






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The funny thing is that the people running down those with success, including Obama, don't check the box on their tax returns to pay more money than is owed to the government.


Or in the Obama administration, don't even pay what is owed in taxes.






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I mostly see a lot of unhappy Republicans....and if this board is any indication, they're not only unhappy, they are very, very angry


Why do you lie to yourself and call yourself a libertarian? You aren't at all because if you were you wouldn't care and you wouldn't post such nonsense in which you have put little thought into before posting.






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Why do you lie to yourself and call yourself a libertarian? You aren't at all because if you were you wouldn't care and you wouldn't post such nonsense in which you have put little thought into before posting.


How is it not libertarian to objectively observe that currently Republicans (especially on this board) are very unhappy and angry? You are a confused, angry little man.






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In This Day of Demonizing Success


That would be in your imagination, sir.







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and if this board is any indication, they're not only unhappy, they are very, very angry.

I am happy with everything in my life except my golf game. Driving, fairway shots, chipping, putting... out of those 4 I always do 2 of them well and the other 2 poorly. Just once you'd think that God would let me click on all 4 in one round... just to see what my score would be.






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I mostly see a lot of unhappy Republicans....and if this board is any indication, they're not only unhappy, they are very, very angry.
Is that a good thing, or bad IYO?
Serious question.

Because when I look at issues like investment being taxed at 110% of income rates, or persistence in running >$1Tn deficits while the Senate debates whether to allow popcorn consumption during screening of a Steven Spielberg movie on the Senate Floor, I get pretty damn angry too.

You don't?






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Of course not, I just don't believe "contempt for happiness" is a liberal only condition or specific to them as if they are another race/breed of people.

I wish Republicans were more happy and not antagonistic towards other people that make social choices different from their own...didn't hold people trying to find a better life at great risk in such contempt. It would probably have allowed us to avoid or at least stem the economic issues you've highlighted.






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Goes back to the 10th commandment. Thou shall not covet.

Collectivism is all about coveting and taking via the government machinery (8th commandment). So, don't kid yourself into thinking its accomplishing some kind of moral good. It's quite the opposite.






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In This Day of Demonizing Success


That would be in your imagination, sir.
Just met some of our financial advisors. They made it pretty clear success is being demonized.

In their view, "The paradigm has changed. The country has now been convinced it's OK to ignore where you've come from. It's acceptable to overlook all the right things you've done to get to where you are. In doing so, it's OK to hate you for what you've attained." Now I happen to believe that's an overstatement, but it was a telling POV nonetheless. It is a POV shared by their institution.

Certainly speaks against your total dismissal of the pretext.






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I just don't believe "contempt for happiness" is a liberal only condition

Generally, it is a liberal condition and there is logical reason for it. I like to explain it this way.
Draw a big circle. Label the circle 'normal.' Outside of the circle is 'want to be normal.'

Now what are the groups that make up the coalition of liberals:

Blacks... looking into the circle that is a majority white.

Gays...looking into the circle that is a majority hetero.

Poor.. looking into the circle that is a majority non-poor.

Same thing with single women. They look at married women and feel envious.
Same thing with unions. They look at management and feel envious.

All of these group share one thing in common. They are not happy with 'the way life is.'

It's the same reason why liberal feminists tend to be ugly. It's not fair that the world treats beautiful women better. So, unhappy ugly women tend more to feminist activist groups.






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another of the ten 'thou shalt nots' refers to stealing, but their bibles have the clause 'except when done by the government'. Both stealing and covetousness has become normal, so long as its done to a certain class of people. Ironically black Christians lead the charge.





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I would like to add to the "coveting" aspect. I currently have 105 employees with 85 in the Local Union. A couple of my young Union employees were watching me load my vehicle for a family trip out in the shop yard at the end of the day this past summer. I had the vehicle professionally cleaned that day so my wife would not bitch. One young man (under 25) said he wished he could afford to have his truck "detailed" and the other two chimed in also, which lead to a lot of "I wish I could afford" and a comment "you are lucky." This set me off. I know what each man earns, including benefits and the other perks we provide. They make a good living for their skills and will make more with experience.

So we got into a conversation about choices. Mainly me talking and them lower their eyes. One young man is on his third Chevy loaded truck in five years, owns a boat that you would see the Bass Masters and he lives in a mobile home with a baby on the way.

The one who made the comment about the "detail" cleaning and said he could not afford such an expense, had a pack of Cigs in his shirt pocket and a nice set of tattoos on both arms. I was told his back is covered but I have never seen it and I don't care. But he makes that choice, I choose not to smoke, get tattoos, drink a lot, etc.

I told them that the choices they make have consequences. They made a good choice to get into a trade that will always be in demand but are screwing up by complaining about what other people do or have. I went over the costs of their choices - Tattos, Smokes, a new truck almost every 18 months, boat costs, decreasing value of a manufactured home, costs of Credit (they have huge credit card bills), etc. Quit looking at everyone else and "wishing I could that", but look at yourself and start making good decisions. My "luck" they wished they had including busting my arse in school to get a college scholarship, then to moving away from family to go to law school. My new wife working two jobs while I finished my last year. Then taking loans to start a business. Amazingly, they did not want to swap their personal debt for my name on the bank LOC.

Sorry for being long, but the OP hit a nerve. I know CSB.



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I would like to add to the "coveting" aspect. I currently have 105 employees with 85 in the Local Union. A couple of my young Union employees were watching me load my vehicle for a family trip out in the shop yard at the end of the day this past summer. I had the vehicle professionally cleaned that day so my wife would not bitch. One young man (under 25) said he wished he could afford to have his truck "detailed" and the other two chimed in also, which lead to a lot of "I wish I could afford" and a comment "you are lucky." This set me off. I know what each man earns, including benefits and the other perks we provide. They make a good living for their skills and will make more with experience. So we got into a conversation about choices. Mainly me talking and them lower their eyes. One young man is on his third Chevy loaded truck in five years, owns a boat that you would see the Bass Masters and he lives in a mobile home with a baby on the way. The one who made the comment about the "detail" cleaning and said he could not afford such an expense, had a pack of Cigs in his shirt pocket and a nice set of tattoos on both arms. I was told his back is covered but I have never seen it and I don't care. But he makes that choice, I choose not to smoke, get tattoos, drink a lot, etc. I told them that the choices they make have consequences. They made a good choice to get into a trade that will always be in demand but are screwing up by complaining about what other people do or have. I went over the costs of their choices - Tattos, Smokes, a new truck almost every 18 months, boat costs, decreasing value of a manufactured home, costs of Credit (they have huge credit card bills), etc. Quit looking at everyone else and "wishing I could that", but look at yourself and start making good decisions. My "luck" they wished they had including busting my arse in school to get a college scholarship, then to moving away from family to go to law school. My new wife working two jobs while I finished my last year. Then taking loans to start a business. Amazingly, they did not want to swap their personal debt for my name on the bank LOC.


One of the best posts I have ever read on here.






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