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oklahogjr 
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:42 pm to Crompdaddy8)
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hiring a quality, high-in-demand HC is never easy no matter what program you have.
USC is a top 3 job but they had to settle for Lane Kiffin because time wasn't right. Just because you're USC, Texas, Florida dosen't mean you can poach any top coach you want. most top coaches high in demand are likely happy at where they are
let's hypothetically say Miles went to Arkansas and LSU is looking for a HC. it's not a cake walk by any means and you can't automatically poach top coaches even if you're LSU.
There is a lot of truth in this post. we got extremely lucky to land a well established coach. Most programs go the mid major route for good hires and some even have to go snag a top level coordinator. It's all about timing, resources available, School reputation, how changing jobs will affect your reputation, work environment and probably somewhere near dead last on the list is pay. I mean these guys are making millions a year plus incentives if their winners.
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CourseyCorridor
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:45 pm to DaleDenton)
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With everyone competing at their best Tennessee inherit disadvantages are showing, there isn't much they can do about it. Ole Miss was a powerhouse at one time as well...
Completely agree here. If all 14 schools are hitting on all cylinders with their program, Tennessee is no better than...6th-8th (with Auburn and South Carolina and behind LSU, Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M and Alabama) in terms of its potential success, IMO.
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:48 pm to CourseyCorridor)
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Tennessee is no better than...6th-8th (with Auburn and South Carolina and behind LSU, Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M and Alabama) in terms of its potential success, IMO.
if Vandy starts pumping more $$ into their program I actually think they will eventually surpass UT as well.
at Vandy you can sell BOTH the academics and SEC angle; which is a very valuable and unique sell.
This post was edited on 12/6 at 1:49 pm
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jack6294 
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:49 pm to CourseyCorridor)
Have to play Bama/Saban every year?
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CourseyCorridor
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:50 pm to rocket31)
The problem is, Vandy won't pump more $$ into its program. I don't know if they ever want their "priorities" that far out of whack, in their eyes.
Could be wrong.
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oklahogjr
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:51 pm to CourseyCorridor)
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The problem is, Vandy won't pump more $$ into its program. I don't know if they ever want their "priorities" that far out of whack, in their eyes.
Could be wrong.
If Franklin keeps winning they'll pump money. Vandy boosters are rich
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CourseyCorridor
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:52 pm to oklahogjr)
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Vandy boosters are rich
They got rich by not being overly distracted by football while they were in college 
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oklahogjr
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:54 pm to CourseyCorridor)
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They got rich by not being overly distracted by football while they were in college
But now their rich old white dudes. I think we all know where rich old dudes like to spend their money
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teke184
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:55 pm to rocket31)
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if Vandy starts pumping more $$ into their program I actually think they will eventually surpass UT as well.
at Vandy you can sell BOTH the academics and SEC angle; which is a very valuable and unique sell.
That was enough to get one of my HS teammates to play there. The after-effect of him going there was Steve Spurrier having a public meltdown screaming at the guy's mom about how he'd never be on TV at Vandy.
The drawback to Vandy is that they need to be open to recruiting marginal students that can play.
I'm not sure how much their administration is willing to do on that end.
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CourseyCorridor
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:57 pm to oklahogjr)
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But now their rich old white dudes. I think we all know where rich old dudes like to spend their money
Call girls? 
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oklahogjr
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:09 pm to teke184)
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The drawback to Vandy is that they need to be open to recruiting marginal students that can play.
Probably the biggest thing holding them back. They just need to learn to use it as an advantage in recruiting instead of a drawback.
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DaleDenton 
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:11 pm to oklahogjr)
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Probably the biggest thing holding them back. They just need to learn to use it as an advantage in recruiting instead of a drawback.
Doesn't hurt Standford. 
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oklahogjr
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:13 pm to DaleDenton)
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Doesn't hurt Standford.
thus the point of my last sentence. I think franklin knows how to do it. If vandy is smart they will keep giving franklin everything he wants and let him build the program into a monster while Tennessee sucks.
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DaleDenton
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:21 pm to oklahogjr)
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If vandy is smart they will keep giving franklin everything he wants and let him build the program into a monster while Tennessee sucks.
Vandy is smart.
Franklin will have plenty of time and will not need to get in any big hurry.
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CourseyCorridor
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:27 pm to DaleDenton)
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Franklin will have plenty of time and will not need to get in any big hurry.
This would be great for Southern football, IMO. But I'll believe it when I see it.
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oklahogjr
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:28 pm to DaleDenton)
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Vandy is smart
without a doubt. Two bowls in a row at vandy and no one has gotten franklin close to leaving.
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TigersOfGeauxld
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:33 pm to CourseyCorridor)
Guys, I'm aware of UT's limitations the same as any of you. But I also realize that the right coach could overcome all that, and thrive.
UT has the facilities. Better overall facilities, in fact, than anyone else in this conference. And maybe any other conference.
They have the support. Both in terms of fans and rich boosters.
They are literally one man away from being back. The right man at head coach.
I fully believe all the issues Tennessee is having hiring a head coach have more to do with AD Dave Hart and a lot less to do with any built-in limitations.
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CapstoneGrad06 
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:50 pm to DaleDenton)
It is a better job than Arkansas, but it won't matter if the AD is broke and you have idiots running the asylum.
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hoginthesw
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:57 pm to TigersOfGeauxld)
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I fully believe all the issues Tennessee is having hiring a head coach have more to do with AD Dave Hart and a lot less to do with any built-in limitations.
This is my thought. It has to be Hart.
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TigersOfGeauxld
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| re: How does a program like Tennessee have such trouble getting a coach? (Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:13 pm to CapstoneGrad06)
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It is a better job than Arkansas
At one point I might have agreed. But I think those times are past. Arky has better access to Texas talent, as well as North Louisiana. And it's a lot closer to Memphis than UT is.
If anything, I'd give the edge to Arky right now, but it would be a slight edge.
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