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Stingray
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias

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r. If there is a bias, then we'd be better to just accept it and try and work through it. Things aren't going to change


Pretty defeatist attitude, dont u think? How do you know it cant be changed?


Pianoman
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
The bias is only showing now because there is much more scrutiny now that Bama has won everything in sight the last 3-4 years...I HATE partiality with a passion...no room for it in sports!


ztraveler
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
So...So when is the rest of the Athletic Directors
going to get together and speak up about the Bios?


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lsusteve1
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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The bias is only showing now because there is much more scrutiny now that Bama has won everything in sight the last 3-4 years


And even when they don't (2011-12).....they do

Just luck of the Tide, I guess


nitwit
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
They keep making their own breaks...


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wahoocs
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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ETA: And evidence of a bias DOES NOT mean evidence of a conspiracy. There can be bias without a


And, here we have a winner.

I've resisted this thread, mostly for the sake of my sanity, but now I feel compelled to elaborate on your point.

Outside of 2 games at Auburn in the mid 2000's, no one should be taken seriously with allegations of a conspiracy. Here's my take on this obvious trend.

I cannot confirm or link this, but it is reasonable to assume that many of the conference's officials reside in or very near the state of Alabama, with their offices located in Birmingham. I've been told as many as 2 out of 3. I've met one from LA, and one from MS. Both confirmed this ballpark figure to be a reasonable assessment.

These guys take their job very seriously, and regardless of some of the fans' opinions, have the best interest of the game at heart. However, officiating is open to subjectiveness. They know the teams, the players, and the tendencies. Bias is human nature.

All of these guys live and work in a world that is not devoid of Alabama football. As a matter of fact, those they associate with on a daily basis, know they officiate games, and are more likely to address this fact when encountering them. If you don't think this can have subconcious effects on the calling of a game, especially calls of the ticky-tack variety, you're not being honest with yourself.

Now, let's throw in the fact that many of these officials are hired during the offseason to work scrimmages (consultants, I like to call them). Players become more aware of what they can and cannot do. Obviously, every team can and does do this. But, these guys have full time jobs. They can't just cater to every team across the expanse of the SEC. And, the closer the school, the more convenient.

The same could be said for those officials who live and work in any other state, but there's just more in close proximity to Birmingham. I'm sure this makes it easier for them to meet, evaluate, etc. I get this, but to me, it's not hard to translate this into the biased results.

There's no malice involved. It's just human nature. And it probably gets amplified some when you have a guy like Saban there. Sort of the same way Ted Williams and Greg Maddux developed the benefit of the doubt with major league umpires.

Another fact that reinforces my beliefs, is that championship level college and professional teams have historically shown to be some of the more penalized teams. The explanation I've always heard for this phenomenon was that the opposition is perceived to be inferior, and gets the benefit of the doubt more times than not. Yet, Bama plays for their third championship in four years as one of the least penalized teams in the nation.

My assertions are all heresay, and my theories are just that, theories. Take from this what you will, or ignore.

The TL/DR crowd will love this one. I use posts like this to figure out the ones worthy of a response.


nitwit
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
All they've ever done is cheat...


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TexasTiger1185
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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Pretty defeatist attitude, dont u think?


You must not have been reading my posts. I don't see this as an excuse to lose to Bama. I'm saying I don't even care if they are getting a bias, which I don't believe.
Handle your own business and play the best you can. If they are getting this bias everyone believes then we just need to work harder.

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How do you know it cant be changed?

You people have made the point that things have gone unchanged for at LEAST a decade, if not longer. They aren't going to change.


wahoocs
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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If they are getting this bias everyone believes then we just need to work harder.


Now, if the Republican and Independent parties would just accept this, the world would be a better place.

Sorry, I have to get back to work now to provide for those who don't.


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ForeLSU
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
Saban brings in SEC officials to work with during scrimmages. It wouldn't surprise me if he's worked with them to push the limits with respect to holding. If you watch them closely, it appears that they have a count before they release the defender. They also pull defenders away from holes and away from ball carriers. Because the officials have worked with them on this, they're less reluctant to call and the borderline calls go Bama's way.


Lakebound
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
More evidence. discussed in November:

Bama's last 3 trips to Tiger Stadium


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wahoocs
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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Saban brings in SEC officials to work with during scrimmages. It wouldn't surprise me if he's worked with them to push the limits with respect to holding. If you watch them closely, it appears that they have a count before they release the defender. They also pull defenders away from holes and away from ball carriers. Because the officials have worked with them on this, they're less reluctant to call and the borderline calls go Bama's way.


Yes, this is the way I see it, too.

The last five years or so I've watched more tape, and more Alabama offensive line than I care to admit. Barrett Jones stands out more than any other. Watching him in run blocking from the tackle position is a thing of beauty. I showed this to several people, using a Tennessee game as a prime example.

He's going to struggle in the NFL. They're not going to let him get away with that. Staying for his senior year to play center was a matter of survival.

He had to get to the middle of the line in hopes they don't see everything he's doing.

There's no question in my mind that many of these players end up on a first name basis with officials by the time they leave Alabama, just through contact with them over the spring and summer.

I'm not claiming that the officials are purposelly avoiding these calls. But, there's not really in doubt in my mind it affects their judgement.


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L-S-U-L-S-U
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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make it stop


Easy- don't read it, jackass. There, it's stopped.


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Statestreet
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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Saban brings in SEC officials to work with during scrimmages. It wouldn't surprise me if he's worked with them to push the limits with respect to holding. If you watch them closely, it appears that they have a count before they release the defender. They also pull defenders away from holes and away from ball carriers. Because the officials have worked with them on this, they're less reluctant to call and the borderline calls go Bama's way.



This didn't help us much while he was at LSU, or did he not bring officials in during those days?


ForeLSU
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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This didn't help us much while he was at LSU, or did he not bring officials in during those days?


who knows...all teams bring in officials, but if, in fact, many SEC officials live in the Birmingham area he may get more of them vs. other teams getting whatever they can get their hands on. He may bring them in more as well.


wahoocs
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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who knows...all teams bring in officials, but if, in fact, many SEC officials live in the Birmingham area he may get more of them vs. other teams getting whatever they can get their hands on. He may bring them in more as well.


Exactly.

I stated this, but he obviously is one of those guys with a short attention span.


DrakeLSU
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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One other thing to notice. I will SWEAR that the Bama coach that ends up in fron of the down marker does it on purpose.



That GIF is ridiculous, but that is false considering that isn't even the Bama sideline. Looks like Ole Miss to me.


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Tiger_n_ATL
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
This thread is a geek fest


Hulkklogan
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Stingray
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re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias
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This thread is a geek fest


I think it has also identified some of the uneducated and slow.


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