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ShortyRob
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One of the funniest arguments in this thread is the idea that because Zimm may have been dumb for leaving his vehicle, that's tantamount to CAUSING the confrontation. People say getting out was dumb because he could get hurt. Because he was playing hero.

But wait the frick a minute.

Trayvon was aware of Zimm and DEFINITELY turned back to close space on him. Um........was he trying to "play hero" and was he "dumb" because he could've gotten hurt?

Everyone in this thread knows that Trayvon decided to show he was bad and go tell of the white dude for being suspicious of him just cause he was black.

You can fricking do all the mental gymnastics you like, but at the end of the day, everyone knows that's what happened. Everyone. Blacks. Whites. Everyone knows it.

All of the arguments are just bull shite race baiting pretense.






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mmtsanders
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Because you weren't there. Neither was I. It's impossible to judge no matter how hard some people are trying.


You are so right. It will be interesting to see how a jury views all the evidence and renders a verdict.

Obviously Florida felt that "stand you ground" was a good law to pass and this case might decide how broad that law will be. In the current context I do think that it is too broad and easy for someone to claim self defense in any situation should they shoot somebody.

I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion on how they see this case and certainly none of us were there and will never know what really transpired. I am, however, fascinated by this "stand your ground" law and what it really means.

Like I said earlier, based on various reports, it doesn't appear that this young man was involved in any criminal activity or a threat to anybody when Zimmerman observed him that night. At some point after Zimmerman left his truck, did this young man become aware that he was being followed?. If so, did he feel threatened. I know that I would be scared if I realized somebody was following me and probably run like hell, but Florida has the "stand your ground" law so does it apply here?












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ShortyRob
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I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion on how they see this case and certainly none of us were there and will never know what really transpired. I am, however, fascinated by this "stand your ground" law and what it really means.
I"m really not even sure how the stand your ground law relates to this incident.

Stand your ground laws are related to your ability to shoot if you feel threatened as in, bad people are approaching you with harmful intent. In other words, you don't have to wait till your arse starts getting beat to take action.

I really fail to see how this would apply in this case because if TM was beating his arse on the ground, he was well past the point of "self defense" being debateable.

I'm pretty certain that before stand your ground laws ever existed, you were allowed the right to self defense if you were getting the shite kicked out of you.
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If so, did he feel threatened. I know that I would be scared if I realized somebody was following me and probably run like hell, but Florida has the "stand your ground" law so does it apply here?
I'm sorry. This is retarded. TM was less than 100 yards from his home. He was CLOSER to his house than GZ was to him when he became aware he was being followed. And, he went BACK to meet GZ very near where GZ was in the first place(we know this from where the fight took place)

Nobody wrote a law saying that if you see someone that makes you nervous and the guy is WAY THE frick over there and he is no longer moving towards you that you can chase his arse down and kick his ass.






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mmtsanders
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I"m really not even sure how the stand your ground law relates to this incident. Stand your ground laws are related to your ability to shoot if you feel threatened as in, bad people are approaching you with harmful intent. In other words, you don't have to wait till your arse starts getting beat to take action. I really fail to see how this would apply in this case because if TM was beating his arse on the ground, he was well past the point of "self defense" being debateable. I'm pretty certain that before stand your ground laws ever existed, you were allowed the right to self defense if you were getting the shite kicked out of you.


Hmm, Zimmerman's lawyer was planning on using the "stand you ground" to get the case dismissed, so one would think that is how it relates to this case. Maybe that is one of the reason for all the contraversy that this particular case has brought a lot of attention to regarding that specific law and whether it should be changed.

In Florida, the law has resulted in self-defense claims tripling.[23][24] The law's critics argue that Florida's law makes it very difficult to prosecute cases against people who shoot others and then claim self-defense. The shooter can argue they felt threatened, and in most cases, the only witness who could have argued otherwise is the victim who was shot and killed.

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I'm sorry. This is retarded. TM was less than 100 yards from his home. He was CLOSER to his house than GZ was to him when he became aware he was being followed. And, he went BACK to meet GZ very near where GZ was in the first place(we know this from where the fight took place)


You say this with such certainty - how do you know where TM was when he was aware that he was being followed? How do you know for certain the distance that he was from entering the house? Because Zimmerman said this? How close do you think Zimmerman got to TM for TM to notice that he was being followed? Do you turn around and think that everybody behind you is "after" you? For all any of us know, TM may not have seen Zimmerman, may have just turned around and saw Zimmerman and said hmmm "I think I'll go beat this guy up after I eat my skittles".

If you have a link to that video surveillance showing exactly where both TM and Zimmerman was, please share that so that we can see it, otherwise you got nothing but the story from a man who calls the cops because a guy looks up to no good, gets out of his vehicle to follow after him carrying a loaded gun, and then claims self defense and trying to use the "stand your ground" to get the case thrown out. Once again, if TM could talk you might not get the same story.....

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Stand your ground laws are related to your ability to shoot if you feel threatened as in, bad people are approaching you with harmful intent. In other words, you don't have to wait till your arse starts getting beat to take action.


So if TM realized that he was being followed, felt threatened because he has no way of knowing whether Zimmerman is a bad person or not, he would have a right to take action or to "stand your ground". You seem to suggest that he should have proceeded on to his house. Ok, I do agree with you on that. However, I still think Zimmerman should have just called the law and stayed in the truck. Problem solved. The cops do the investigation since this is their job. They see that a crime did not occur, that TM was staying with his father's friend, Zimmerman is happy because no crime occurred and that this suspicious person was not out of place since he was staying with a family friend. No fight, no death. Everybody go on about their normal routine.

Anyway it does not really matter what you or I think, there will be 12 jurors in Florida deciding this case. However, I have a gut feeling that "stand your ground" law will be affected by this verdict.







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ShortyRob
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You say this with such certainty - how do you know where TM was when he was aware that he was being followed?
Well, unless you think that GZ fibbed to the 911 operator because he knew that in about 4 minutes, he'd get his arse kicked and shoot TM, that's how I know. Also, TM spoke to his GF about where he was.

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How close do you think Zimmerman got to TM for TM to notice that he was being followed?
TM noted the vehicle following slowly. That's what he told his GF. I would think that I'd notice if there was a vehichle driving oddly slow behind me for a period of time. Wouldn't you?

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there will be 12 jurors in Florida deciding this case. However, I have a gut feeling that "stand your ground" law will be affected by this verdict.
GZ will not be convicted of shite. Take that to the bank. And when he's not, people will bitch that it was a racist verdict. Take that to the bank too.

I'll go one further. People such as yourself will not accept the verdict when it happens and will continue to make the same arguments made in this thread.






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NC_Tigah
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Zimmerman's past with calling 911 multiple times to report various "suspicious" people doesn't make me believe he is a role model
FYI, your incorrect comment about GZ's "9/11 calls" doesn't make me believe you've ascertained facts in this case.

Your pretense here seems to be that an individual on Community Watch with a concealed carry permit who witnesses a stranger skulking suspiciously through a neighborhood at night in the rain should never leave his vehicle. He should cower from walking down a sidewalk in his own neighborhood. He should make no effort whatsoever to determine where the suspicious party is going -- not to pursue the stranger, but to observe from a distance.

Your pretense is that Trayvon was perfectly fine doing what he was doing, but how dare a resident do basically the same thing.

Your pretense is that if someone audaciously leaves their own vehicle at night walking in their own neighborhood, they deserve to be attacked. They deserve to have their nose crushed. They deserve to have their head beaten into a sidewalk to the edge of unconsciousness. If they discharge a weapon to save their life at that point it constitutes murder.

That is one hell of a twisted perspective.






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ShortyRob
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That is one hell of a twisted perspective.

Look. Everyone in this thread knows what the frick happened here. EVERYONE. Even the people contorting themselves.

Young black man took offense to being followed by someone(rough equivalent of the 'driving while black' gripe). Young black man decides to go deal with that bull shite. Young black man didn't anticipate gun. Young black man dead.

If we had a time machine, there aint a soul in this fricking country who'd bet even $5 that it didn't go down like that. They all know it.






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Ace Midnight
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Young black man took offense to being followed by someone(rough equivalent of the 'driving while black' gripe). Young black man decides to go deal with that bull shite. Young black man didn't anticipate gun. Young black man dead.


I think that is a reasonable interpretation of the facts. Does this make his death a crime on the part of Zimmerman or is it something else, like an unfortunate tragedy? Zimmerman could have minded his own business and Martin would still be alive. Martin could have gone straight home and he'd still be alive. They could have exchanged words more pleasantly:

TM - "Hey man, what's your problem?"

GZ - "I don't recognize you. We've had some break-ins in several of the buildings."

TM - "I'm from Miami, but I'm visiting my dad who lives over there.

GZ - "Sorry. Stay safe."

TM - "That's cool. I'm missing the game. Take it easy."

...and Martin would still be alive. But, none of that happened and he's dead. It is unfortunate, but I'm having difficulty seeing enough evidence to convict Zimmerman even of manslaughter.







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mouton
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You guys should check out the justice for Trayvon Martin Facebook page. The level of ignorance is staggering.





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PurpleKnight88
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Doesn't matter who starts the fight. If one of the parties begins to fight in a way that a reasonable person would fear for their life, they are permitted to defend themselves.


Step 1: Find someone you don't like
Step 2: Make sure you are packing
Step 3: Start a fight with the person
Step 4: When the person begins to fight you fear for your life
Step 5: Take out your gun and shoot the person
Step 6: Claim self defense
Step 7: Profit.






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real
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This happen 5 yrs ago.
Do any of you remember this American Hero?


LINK

He rid the world of these 2 POS.
Google the 911 tape of this, its well worth the listen.



This post was edited on 12/5 at 12:28 pm


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91TIGER
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How about this one ?

Bernhard Goetz






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JohnnyKilroy
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Step 1: Find someone you don't like
Step 2: Make sure you are packing
Step 3: Start a fight with the person
Step 4: When the person begins to fight you fear for your life
Step 5: Take out your gun and shoot the person
Step 6: Claim self defense
Step 7: Profit.


Not exactly how it works brah.







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PrivateJoker
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mmtsanders
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GZ will not be convicted of shite. Take that to the bank. And when he's not, people will bitch that it was a racist verdict. Take that to the bank too. I'll go one further. People such as yourself will not accept the verdict when it happens and will continue to make the same arguments made in this thread.


You might be right and you might be wrong, I seem to recall 2 verdicts that seem to shock people....

OJ and Casey Anthony.

Your right, I really felt like they got away with a crime but I should respect the verdict because they were found NOT GUILTY by a jury of our peers.

Once again, it will be in the hands of 12 of our fellow peers so I'll accept whatever verdict they return.







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Crimson1st
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Look. Everyone in this thread knows what the frick happened here. EVERYONE. Even the people contorting themselves. Young black man took offense to being followed by someone(rough equivalent of the 'driving while black' gripe). Young black man decides to go deal with that bull shite. Young black man didn't anticipate gun. Young black man dead. If we had a time machine, there aint a soul in this fricking country who'd bet even $5 that it didn't go down like that. They all know it.



^^^This right here!






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VerlanderBEAST
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Trayvon was aware of Zimm and DEFINITELY turned back to close space on him. Um........was he trying to "play hero" and was he "dumb" because he could've gotten hurt?

Everyone in this thread knows that Trayvon decided to show he was bad and go tell of the white dude for being suspicious of him just cause he was black.

link?






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JohnnyKilroy
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link?



I read it in the same article that said GZ shot trayvon for being black.






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tketaco
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It's the 5th of December and Trayvon is still dead from assualting an armed innocent citizen.





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