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TexasTiger1185 
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:39 pm to MoreOrLes)
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Sorry its just not possible.
 don't be sorry.
ETA: I could be wrong. More importantly none of this even matters in the least.
This post was edited on 12/4 at 4:41 pm
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GeauxTigerTM
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:53 pm to TexasTiger1185)
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I'd say it probably has more to do with the players. When Saban was at LSU he was not this godlike figure where everything he said was gold going into the ears of his players.
Was he more or less godlike than Mike Shula? These stats only go to 2003...anyone want to bet this trend doesn't continue back further?
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Les Miles coached teams play with the emotion he puts out, it will lead to more penalties from time to time.
His team, except for 2 outlier seasons, get about the same number of penalties per season as Saban coached LSU. Two different coaches...one similar result.
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Let us also take injuries into account; how many starters were injured for how many games in those years? How many of those starters were O-Linemen. OL tends to get the most penalties throughout a season with holding/false start being most common.
For the years 2003-2012? Even BAMA's poorly coached, losing teams got less penalties.
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Papa Tigah
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 5:09 pm to Stingray)
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rbdallas
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Member since Nov 2007
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 5:32 pm to Papa Tigah)
there may be some truth to your analysis; however, for years I have been saying that we are an undisciplined team.
as a former coach I will tell you that
PRACTICE does not make perfect.
Perfect PRACTICE makes perfect.
whatever level of discipline is maintained during practice, is what will show up in the game.
I have seen too many dumb penalties such a "lining up in the neutral zone".. if yiou are not called on practice, when you get tired on the field, you are likely to make the errors.
I have also seen a little more leniency towards other teams at their home field....specially if THEIR coach has been working the refs.
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PasadenaTiger
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Pasadena
Member since Jul 2012
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 5:34 pm to rbdallas)
So what will the zebras do with the Gumps and the Domers!.?love them both. Just ask Stanford and Pitt!
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LSUBrad5277
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Member since Jan 2011
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 5:52 pm to Stingray)
Miles manhood is bigger than sabans causing saban to complain to the refs where they realize they too are inadequate and now we have a case of penis envy in which the refs decide to punish miles team.
Its always been about who does or doesn't have a foot long corndog.
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Tiger 1964
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Member since Mar 2007
93 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 7:35 pm to GeauxTigerTM)
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As you stated, it doesn't seem to matter who the coach is, what the team's record is, etc. BAMA gets penalized less BY FAR than LSU.
Actually, it goes farther than this. If you look prior to 2002 at BOTH Alabama and Auburn, their penalties are similar to the rest of the SEC teams. Begining in 2002, both of these teams' penalties nosedive as compared to the rest of the SEC. Guess who arrived in 2002...none other than Mike Slive. Since then Alabama and Auburn have consistantly had fewer penalties than all of the other SEC teams. This is almost statistically impossible. We all see the holds...they just don't get called...why not?...the head of the SEC does not want them to be called.
Would be really be interesting to follow the money trail for some of these SEC office folks and referees.all all
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wil
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Member since Nov 2006
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 7:54 pm to Tiger 1964)
You're right about the holds, and its the ones refs almost always call- the hands extended holding jerseys. They're were 2 in a row like that in the SECCG. Richt even went out on the field screaming about holding after the 2nd one.
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LSURoss
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Shreveport, LA
Member since Dec 2007
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 8:00 pm to Stingray)
GET OVER IT!!! They are good and they beat LSU. The blame game around here is fricking pathetic.
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Bayou
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Member since Feb 2005
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 8:01 pm to harry coleman beast)
Saban just runs a more disciplined squad. 
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LSURep864
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Greenville,SC
Member since Nov 2007
5952 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 8:02 pm to Stingray)
What alpha are you using ? Not that it matters because the p value will be smaller than any possible alpha
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Dinkle
LSU Fan
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
924 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 8:08 pm to Bayou)
More than the whole number of penalties for Bama, I would love to see what penalties occurred in their favor on 3rd downs or penalties that negated an opponents TD or very long gain. Just curious.
AS far as penalties during Sabans tenure at LSU, I would be willing to bet the majority were for blocks in the back on any return of more than 10 yards. It was laughable it occurred so often.
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LSURep864
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Member since Nov 2007
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 8:08 pm to LSURep864)
And you also could have made a type 2 error as well
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TexasTiger1185
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
6623 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 8:31 pm to LSURep864)
What about other sec schools?
Does bama get less than everyone? Our does lsu simply get more?
Is this a bama thing our an lsu thing?
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Penrod
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Member since Jan 2011
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| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 8:50 pm to CptBengal)
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You probability value
All that attempt to sound smart and you blew it with "You" instead of "Your".
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samson73103 
Alabama Fan
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Member since Nov 2008
1929 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 9:04 pm to Stingray)
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Alabama is a more disciplined team
This^
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larry289
LSU Fan
Holiday Island, AR
Member since Nov 2009
130 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 9:08 pm to LSURoss)
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GET OVER IT!!! They are good and they beat LSU. The blame game around here is fricking pathetic.
This is solid information that is worth more analysis, but you are right in your statement...generally speaking.
That said, after the game due to all the commentary past/present of bama bias, I rewatched the game three times at normal speed just for the hell of it looking to see missed calls (both sides). Pencil and paper method: 11-missed calls against bama; 5-holds, 2-PI, 1-PF, 1-IM (back in motion moving toward los, 1-OS and 1 "too many on los". 3-missed calls against LSU; 1-hold, 1-PF and 1-IM (same as bama's). Just sayin' it's something inconsequential like jersey color...right?
PS: I'd like to see one of these statistical whizzkids put a complete anaysis together for publication in the Advocate or sent to Tim Brando...might get some traction!
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TexasTiger1185
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
6623 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 9:13 pm to larry289)
And your watching with a referees experience and zero bias, correct?
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TDRAOOC 
Texas A&M Fan
Member since Jun 2012
163 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 9:13 pm to Dinkle)
Well the first game that comes to mind that EVERYONE remembers was REFGATE AT AUBURN.
I know we are talking Alabammer here but that was highway robbery at its finest. These numbers dont lie folks, we are getting SCREWED
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bmy
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Member since Oct 2007
20233 posts
| re: Evidence Strongly Suggesting Alabama Officiating Bias (Posted on 12/4/12 at 9:15 pm to Stingray)
no h0 no care
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