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darkhorse
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| Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/2/12 at 2:34 pm)
Fines for states
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Residents of states that refuse to set up health insurance exchanges under Obamacare are set to be hit with higher premiums under new rules announced by the Health and Human Services Department. Read more: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obamacare-insurance-premiums-states/2012/12/01/id/466088#ixzz2DveN3HeL
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EST 
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/2/12 at 2:35 pm to darkhorse)
secession time.
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BigJim
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/2/12 at 2:41 pm to EST)
This cannot possibly be right. How does he have that authority? The ACA clearly gave states an option: use the fed's exchange or create your own.
Not sure how he can charge a fee for something the bill provides for.
I strongly suspect, but don't know for sure, that this is a way to cover for the fact that the federal exchange is way behind schedule.
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darkhorse
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:59 am to BigJim)
but he did it!
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Poodlebrain
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:54 am to darkhorse)
This fee just demonstrates that Obamacare is not intended to improve the efficiency of healthcare and reduce the costs. It is intended to reward some and punish others through redistribution of wealth. Obama is sending a message that he will punish anyone to get at those he perceives as his enemmies. Even the unfortunate Democrats who might happen to live in states controlled by Republicans. I guess thay are acceptable casualties from friendly fire.
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RollTide4Ever 
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 5:04 am to darkhorse)
Time to tell Feds to get. The frick. Out.
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llfshoals
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 5:34 am to darkhorse)
Don't sell through the exchanges. Easy solution.
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Lsut81
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 5:57 am to darkhorse)
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Obamacare are set to be hit with higher premiums under new rules announced by the Health and Human Services Department.
Ummm, how can this stand legally?
So that cunt sabelius and her cronies can just make up new rules and penalties whenever they feel like?
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TigerTattle
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 6:22 am to Lsut81)
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sabelius and her cronies can just make up new rules and penalties whenever they feel like?
She was given that power---unilateral, carte blanche, whatever you want to call it---regarding the implementation of Obamacare. I remember reading about it somewhere quite a while back and thinking she could screw over whole segments of the population and Obama wouldn't get the blame. Annnnnd, here we go!
Don't think she did this without running it past Daddy-O first, though. Hell, it was probably his idea.
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:13 am to Lsut81)
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Ummm, how can this stand legally?
So that cunt sabelius and her cronies can just make up new rules and penalties whenever they feel like?
EPA, Homeland Security, HHS...
RULES are the new laws... can be modified or changed at any moment to suit the ruling class.
Legal means diddly poo anymore.
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udtiger
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:15 am to darkhorse)
I would just like to offer up a big frick YOU to CJ John Roberts.
Scalia and the others warned you about this shit, but you didn't want to "politicize" the Court. Instead, you effectively neutered it, and in the process, made the power/scope of the central government absolute so long as the "taxing power" the mechanism of passing legislation.
Again...frick you.
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udtiger
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:21 am to darkhorse)
BTW, this is a "taste" of the "price" to be paid for exercising rights.
Expect churches that refuse to marry gays to lose tax-exempt status.
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GumboPot
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:24 am to darkhorse)
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Obama fines states for ins exchanges
He can fine them all he wants. It's my understanding per the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare the states just don't have to pay the fines and cannot be bribed or held ransom by the federal government to implement Obamacare. A quick lawsuit should resolve this pretty quickly.
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prplhze2000
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:25 am to BigJim)
There is no funding mechanism for federal exchanges in the law. I suspect this is being used to cover the cost of setting one up since the states are not going to do it.
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GumboPot
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:27 am to prplhze2000)
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There is no funding mechanism for federal exchanges in the law. I suspect this is being used to cover the cost of setting one up since the states are not going to do it.
And the states that refuse to set up exchanges can and should just ignore Obama too.
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udtiger
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:30 am to GumboPot)
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A quick lawsuit should resolve this pretty quickly.
You mean, like the moratorium/permitorium lawsuit? Yeah...they really put Obama's feet to the fire on that one.
Face it. This guy does not give a single frick about the law. He is, in every sense, a dictator.
You want proof? Let the fiscal cliff happen, and see how he and Geithner will flat out ignore it on the spending side.
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GumboPot
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:35 am to udtiger)
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Face it. This guy does not give a single frick about the law. He is, in every sense, a dictator.
Now that I think about it, it seems like a political ruse:
Step 1. Fine the red states
Step 2. Red states pay fine - funds Obamacare
Step 3. Red states sue the federal government
Step 4. Red states win - GOP lemmings are happy and GOP politicians get cover.
Step 5. Federal government pays lawsuit out of a separate fund.
Unfunded Obamacare gets funded...that's the end game.
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BigJim
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:32 am to GumboPot)
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Now that I think about it, it seems like a political ruse:
Step 1. Fine the red states
Step 2. Red states pay fine - funds Obamacare
Step 3. Red states sue the federal government
Step 4. Red states win - GOP lemmings are happy and GOP politicians get cover.
Step 5. Federal government pays lawsuit out of a separate fund.
Unfunded Obamacare gets funded...that's the end game.
Seems right. Add in that any parts of the federal exchange that don't work will be blamed on obstructionist red states that refuse to cooperate.
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darkhorse
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| re: Obama fines states for ins exchanges (Posted on 12/3/12 at 10:32 am to BigJim)
This is but another step in the direction of forced socialism.
I expect the division in this country to be even wider within the next year. I suspect a few riots will start happening like in Greece.
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