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HempHead
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Effort is no indication of success.


Correct.

Labor has no value in and of itself. One must satisfy the wants and preferences of others with one's labor, in order to build anything resembling wealth.






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DapperDan
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Link?





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Rocket
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This is a horrible OP.


Zach is a crusty old fricker longing for the pre-brown vs. board days






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Bard
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You are bent out of shape. YOu are defending Wall Street. You act like Wall Street is a victim.


Show me where I have defended Wall Street, Susan.

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I'll wait until OBama's second term is over with before I turn on anyone.


By then, what's the point? He'll be out of office and unable to do anything with the ~21T in debt we'll be in by then (estimated based on his first 4 years).

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The GOP has their turn, and they fricked it up.


"Had". They had their turn leading up to the 2006 elections and got their asses handed to them because of it (conservatives stayed home in droves which gave the Dems historic gains in both chambers). Right now the GOP is offering "revenues" (tax increases) as long as they are matched 1:1 with cuts. Dems are balking at that by wanting it to be cuts on future spending (which always ends up getting amended any time it's been tried).

Who is being more fricked up in that deal?






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NC_Tigah
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Effort is no indication of success.

Your post is indicative of someone unacquainted with successful people.






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HempHead
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Effort and drive are certainly common qualities of self-made men, without a doubt. However, I know plenty of poor and dull folks who will bust their ass, given a task.





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Rocket
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Show me where I have defended Wall Street, Susan.


Your gong out of your way to blame Congress shows you weep for Wall Street

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By then, what's the point


I'm a fair guy and I'll give him another term to change things. Hopefully, the GOP won't be obstructing

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Had". They had their turn leading up to the 2006 elections and got their asses handed to them because of it (conservatives stayed home in droves which gave the Dems historic gains in both chambers)


And for invading a country we should have never invaded

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Who is being more fricked up in that deal?


The GOP just needs to stand down and let the grown ups handle the problems.






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RogerTheShrubber
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re: This is why capitalism is unappealing to the majority


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Effort is no indication of success.



Your post is indicative of someone unacquainted with successful people.



Absolutely. Trust fund kid, most likely.






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moneyg
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And if Zach was going to make an effort to be intellectually honest, he would have included something about inheritance and birth. If you believe Zach, we all start out with the same socioeconomic advantages and we all know that isn't true. The only people who are reluctant to admit it are conservatives.



Of course that's not true.

For some reason, you seem to want the hard work and talent to stop paying dividends after said person dies...when common sense should dictate that success should breed success by passing on the values and fruits of a lifetime of effort to the next generation.






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cahoots
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Effort and drive are certainly common qualities of self-made men, without a doubt. However, I know plenty of poor and dull folks who will bust their ass, given a task.



Effort does lead to success/wealth, but only if it is concentrated in the right areas. Some highly cerebral fields of study don't pay, some highly intensive blue collar labor doesn't pay, some industries have structures that limit income, etc.






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Rocket
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For some reason, you seem to want the hard work and talent to stop paying dividends after said person dies...when common sense should dictate that success should breed success by passing on the values and fruits of a lifetime of effort to the next generation


If that's what you've taken away from my posts, then you are even more braindead than I thought






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mograyback
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Link?


What?

You want a link?

Seriously, get out of internetforumland..

You don't need a link to know that effort is only part of the equations, many people work their asses off to just tread water. And many people that make a lot of money are not exerting that much effort. Money makes money, effort doesn't make money.






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HempHead
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Money makes money








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HempHead
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And many people that make a lot of money are not exerting that much effort.


I hope that you do not equate all effort with physical toil.

ETA: Although I do not deny that our current financial and governmental structure makes money-making much easier in some sectors than a truly free market would.



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Bard
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Your gong out of your way to blame Congress shows you weep for Wall Street


I have plenty of disdain and blame for Wall Street, but that's not the discussion so I haven't gone there. What's interesting is how you decided grasp desperately at that false straw instead of staying on the topic at hand.

Keep running and dodging, Cindy.

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I'm a fair guy and I'll give him another term to change things. Hopefully, the GOP won't be obstructing


He's lied to your face (said he would cut the deficit by 5T in 4 years) then laughed at you for believing him (raised the deficit by 5T in 4 years) yet you still want to give him another chance? Battered spouse syndrome much?

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And for invading a country we should have never invaded


Agreed. We should have Libya'd them for repeatedly firing on coalition aircraft and kicking UNSCOM out repreatedly, then gone home and had a few beers. Still, the entire cost of the Iraq War hasn't reached what 1 year of deficit spending under the Obama administration has cost.

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The GOP just needs to stand down and let the grown ups handle the problems.


If some adults from the Dems showed up, maybe they would, but then again that would mean they would have to actually understand the problem. The problem is spending, the litmus test is if anyone thinks raising taxes on anyone is the fix.

Currently the GOP has put revenues on the table to discussion (ie: they are willing to let taxes be raised), the Dems are only willing to discuss cuts in future spending and every time cuts on future spending are agreed upon, they end up being removed before they take effect. In other words, the Dems are the children in this scenario.






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mograyback
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What are you even saying?

How is the statement that money makes money circular logic..






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HempHead
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How is the statement that money makes money circular logic..


Money makes money because it's....money?






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mograyback
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re: This is why capitalism is unappealing to the majority


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Effort is no indication of success.



Your post is indicative of someone unacquainted with successful people.


Absolutely. Trust fund kid, most likely.



Haha what?

Are you guys even being serious.

Yes there are wealthy people who bust their ass..

And yes there are a lot of lazy/dumb people that are poor.

But effort really isn't a good indication of success.

I know lots of people that bust arse every day and they're rather intelligent people. They don't have too many kids, or over spend on dumb things.. and they aren't making a lot of progress. It's a constant grind.

On the other side, there are A LOT of people that don't work very hard that make a good amount of money.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Effort does lead to success/wealth, but only if it is concentrated in the right areas. Some highly cerebral fields of study don't pay, some highly intensive blue collar labor doesn't pay, some industries have structures that limit income, etc.


Depends what you mean by "don't pay." I would say in their fields, the effort you put in is a direct relation to the success you have in that field.






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HempHead
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But effort really isn't a good indication of success.


Effort does not necessarily beget success, but success is near impossible without effort.

I want to reiterate that effort/labor has no value in and of itself. No one deserves better simply because they have worked hard.






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