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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 1:48 pm to llfshoals)
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Good parents do a vastly superior job of making sure their kids don't do things harful to them. They're not perfect, but nothing is. Your argument is that not being perfect means the government should mandate it...and suck at it in the process.
i certainly agree that the kids of good parents will turn out better. But my whole point to this is that good parents can't be there every second.
And although bans don't work for adults, they are moderately successful with kids. With kids they have to search high and low to find somewhere that would constantly sell cigarettes to them to support a smoking habit. Bans for adults simply create a black market.
So you are talking about two different issues.
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 1:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Which is?
No government at all.
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There are degrees, and everyone falls along some point on the continuum.
Completely agree. That's my point.
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Energy drinks are a fairly mild item to be banning, it's kind of easy to understand why people think it's silly.
I agree and this is the argument I would make. It's a strange ban that will probably be pointless.
However, when a person says that they are against this law because they are for civil liberties, they are being hypocritical unless they are against all restrictions on civil liberties IMO.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 2:01 pm to ZereauxSum)
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Which is?
No government at all.
C;mon, how many people really advocate this?
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Energy drinks are a fairly mild item to be banning, it's kind of easy to understand why people think it's silly.
I agree and this is the argument I would make. It's a strange ban that will probably be pointless.
I think it's another case of media hyping a particular case, or cases and scared people advocating extremes in response.
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However, when a person says that they are against this law because they are for civil liberties, they are being hypocritical unless they are against all restrictions on civil liberties IMO.
Not necessarily. It all comes down to what people interpret as necessary. Defense of borders, ect...and how it's individually defined. I think protecting people against themselves is a bit too much and the civil liberties claim is valid.
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ZereauxSum
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 2:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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C;mon, how many people really advocate this?
GMorgan, Wiki, and I believe one other anarcho-capitalist who's handle escapes me.
Like I said, 2-3.
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I think protecting people against themselves is a bit too much and the civil liberties claim is valid.
OK, but are you against the government protecting kids from any substances or just silly things like energy drinks? If its a civil liberties thing then you have to be against bans on selling porn, alcohol, etc to kids as well no?
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 2:17 pm to ZereauxSum)
I am more interesting in kids being exposed to reactionary, anti-Statist views in the public square.
But an "energy drink" or a "bag of chips" goes a long way in socializing a child that he is a "free" human being, which may ultimately be contrary to the authority of The State.
Which is why in the name of Social Progress I support all State efforts to limit unnecessary freedom, particularly with our American youth.
Our Brave New World requires that even our youth commit to serve The State before their own selfish desires.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 2:24 pm to ZereauxSum)
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OK, but are you against the government protecting kids from any substances or just silly things like energy drinks? If its a civil liberties thing then you have to be against bans on selling porn, alcohol, etc to kids as well no?
Yes, I am against banning age restrictions on those kind of things simply because not only is it a restriction on what people want to do, it's also very ineffective.
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 2:30 pm to PrimeTime Money)
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we all have our boundaries. Lots of people here arguing against me don't think alcohol should be sold to kids. So you guys have your limit, too. How far do you guys want to take it?
Personally I think the drinking age should probably be lowered to about 16
Maybe people would be more ambitious in their acquisition of money if they found an expensive hobby early in life
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ZereauxSum
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 2:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Yes, I am against banning age restrictions on those kind of things simply because not only is it a restriction on what people want to do, it's also very ineffective.
I can respect your honesty.
I can't imagine ever advocating for the removal of age restrictions on those kinds of things, but if I'm honest about it, I doubt I'd be incredibly upset if the bans were lifted.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 3:29 pm to ZereauxSum)
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I can't imagine ever advocating for the removal of age restrictions on those kinds of things, but if I'm honest about it, I doubt I'd be incredibly upset if the bans were lifted.
I can see both sides, but liquor bans don't stop kids from drinking so I don't think they are that effective anyway. Avg first drink is 12 years of age, I believe...anyway.
I think the energy drink ban for minors is kind of ridiculous though. It's like "assault weapon" ban IMO.
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 5:37 pm to Lsut81)
Everyone is arguing about the fact that kids are not rational enough to make a decision if it is healthy. But this ban would go the age of 19. Teenage girls get abortions. "kids" can sign up and join our military. They can drive a car (very dangerous) and smoke and use other tobacco products. They can vote. How can you possibly think this is okay?
Alcohol should be back to 18 too while were arguing about this stuff.
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Lsut81
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 7:08 pm to PrivateJoker)
Almost everyone in this thread completely missed the glaring stupdity in this idiotic legislative move...
They want it to be until you are 19
You can buy cigarettes at 18, which are a whole hell of a lot worse for you than an energy drink.
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Draconian Sanctions
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 7:47 pm to Lsut81)
I thought this board was all about states rights? 
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions)
It does not make the legislation any less stupid.
If you want to talk states rights, you should talk about how the fed strongarms the states into the 21 alcohol age by threatening to cut highway funding if they have it any lower.
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/2/12 at 1:00 am to JEAUXBLEAUX)
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Good
Some people just can't stand the fact that others disagree with them. It wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for the fact that you exert so much energy in forcing your views on others.
Jesus, the egos on you people.
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JEAUXBLEAUX
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/2/12 at 7:40 am to blueboy)
1) If the state is doing it, all you I hate the Fed Gov and give all the power to the state should be thrilled. But... I guess when the state who you empowered does anything you don't like well too bad.
These rules, as stated above are for kids. Even so, the hypocrisy of the gov. on any level sanctioning sales of anything that we know can kill you is crazy. Energy drinks as far as I know won't kill you but kids don't need that crap. How can the gov. allow tobacco sales and help the distribution? I know tax revenue is what counts.
People are obsessed with the Big Brother scare always thrown around here. More like gov. doing something smart for once.
and besides all you states righters. Doen't NY state have the right to decide this no matter what your state sayd.
Either way the soda ban is stupid.
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/2/12 at 7:53 am to JEAUXBLEAUX)
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People are obsessed with the Big Brother scare always thrown around here. More like gov. doing something smart for once.
How is it smart? I can guaran-fricking-tee banning energy drink sales to minors ain't gonna stop them from drinking it. In fact, it will become instantly super cool.
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and besides all you states righters. Doen't NY state have the right to decide this no matter what your state sayd.
States should still be constrained by individual rights. A state centered direct democracy is pure shit, and prohibiting consumption of unhealthy products is wrong and a waste of time. It's another way for them to collect "revenue" through fines.
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Lsut81
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/2/12 at 7:56 am to Draconian Sanctions)
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I thought this board was all about states rights?
Wtf does it have to do with states rights?
Stupid legislation is stupid no matter if it comes from the Fed or the State
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JEAUXBLEAUX
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/2/12 at 8:01 am to Lsut81)
It's their right to be stupid because of states rights. I like the idea of banning it for minors. I think Bloomberg;s idea of banning the big sodas is silly. and yes I work in Bloomberg;s city.
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Lsut81
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/2/12 at 8:04 am to JEAUXBLEAUX)
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I like the idea of banning it for minors
So 18yrs old is a minor now? You can believe what you want to believe in regards to whether this is good, but you are a complete moron if you don't see the issue with the age.
YOU CAN BUY CIGARETTES AT 18, BUT CANNOT BUY AN ENERGY DRINK....
You don't see anything wrong with that?
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JEAUXBLEAUX
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| re: Re: Energy Drinks; NY to Ban to "Minors" (Posted on 12/2/12 at 8:06 am to Lsut81)
Maybe it is for 17 and below. Can't drink till 21. No idea about age for smoking. I know can't buy lottery tickets unless 18.
Consistency is never consistent.
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