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This post confirms you as a moron.

Been confirmed for a while now.






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mograyback
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You mean you guys didn't know that it's called TarSand, not oil.


It's an oil sand - bitumen. It is processed in Canada into oil then shipped to market. Tar wouldn't flow in a pipeline.


Haha. LINK

Ball bag, you just gave the definition of Tar Sand.

The fact remains that most boneheads think this is actual crude oil, not tar sand. They have no idea that it requires a huge amount of energy just to transform it to usable energy.

It's horrible for the environment. It's the dirtiest oil on the planet. It is a poor mans oil, it's gunk, it's shite.
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It will not create nearly as many jobs as people think (which of course would only be temporary), and the fine folks at Cornell (among others) believe it will hurt job growth because less will be invested in clean energy.
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Start thinking in terms beyond your small little world.



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It's horrible for the environment. It's the dirtiest oil on the planet. It is a poor mans oil, it's gunk, it's shite.


So you think Canada will leave it in the ground if the US doesn't build the pipeline?






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cwill
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Ball bag, you just gave the definition of Tar Sand.


It's not tar.

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The fact remains that most boneheads think this is actual crude oil, not tar sand.


I've never heard of anyone nor have I seen anyone post here that believed it was actual flowing crude.

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They have no idea that it requires a huge amount of energy just to transform it to usable energy.


What's your point - more energy is produced than is consumed therefore your point is pointless.

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It's horrible for the environment. It's the dirtiest oil on the planet. It is a poor mans oil, it's gunk, it's shit


You're overstating...it's dirtier than traditional oil production....and whether or not Keystone is built, it will be produced and exported to somewhere, likely Asia...and it would behoove us to have a more secure source...this won't affect any pricing but should the ME become so unstable as to cut supply we'll still have a reliable source.

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It will not create nearly as many jobs as people think (which of course would only be temporary), and the fine folks at Cornell (among others) believe it will hurt job growth because less will be invested in clean energy.


It will create a lot of opportunity in P/L construction, pump station operation, increased refining in TX.

"Green Energy" will find it's way once it's economic. Frankly, "green energy" like any energy is going to have it's by-products and negative...we just don't know what they are yet.

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Start thinking in terms beyond your small little world.


Your small world appears to be the NRDC which is about as ignorant as you are on the subject. You have thoroughly embarrassed yourself, but I don't expect it to stop you.






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mograyback
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So you think Canada will leave it in the ground if the US doesn't build the pipeline?


Damn, you're right.

What was I thinking. They'll send it over to china, we better just do it.

We should turn this tarsand into usable oil, which wastes valuable crude oil and energy to transform it into low grade oil. All the while hurting our job growth, and environment, stunting our progress towards clean energy. But the fact China will use it instead trumps it all, ONWARD!



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wickowick
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All the while hurting our job growth,


Please explain this in economic terms...






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cwill
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We should turn this tarsand into usable oil, which wastes valuable crude oil and energy to transform it into low grade oil.


If this were true we wouldn't being doing it...keep it up champ, you're building quite a record.

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All the while hurting our job growth,




Actually, "green" energy just burns up capital as it is in fact completely uneconomic.

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But the fact China will use it instead trumps it all, ONWARD!


You misunderstand, it's the fact that the oil will be produced regardless of whether or not Keystone is built or if the oil is shipped here for refining.

Fact is the oil will get here regardless...railroads champ....it's what they're doing now.






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mograyback
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It's not tar.


It's Tar Sand you frick.. what don't you get.

I called it tar sand, and you replied with the definition of tar sand. Did you not click on the link?

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I've never heard of anyone nor have I seen anyone post here that believed it was actual flowing crude.


Really, because in this thread a couple people seemed unaware that it was tar sand. And is this forum the real world? Most people are unaware it's really tar sand that requires great amounts of energy to refine.

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What's your point - more energy is produced than is consumed therefore your point is pointless.


What don't you get about less being invested in clean energy. You are extremely dense to want to waste an extremely valuable and limited resource (crude oil) to turn tar sand into a low grade oil. You don't know much about economics do you?

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It will create a lot of opportunity in P/L construction, pump station operation, increased refining in TX.

"Green Energy" will find it's way once it's economic. Frankly, "green energy" like any energy is going to have it's by-products and negative...we just don't know what they are yet.


I'm not a Green Energy supporter either, we are fricked without crude oil.

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It will create a lot of opportunity in P/L construction, pump station operation, increased refining in TX.


Pal, it's going to create under 10,000 temporary construction jobs. Big deal.. It will not create a significant amount of permanent jobs.

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Your small world appears to be the NRDC which is about as ignorant as you are on the subject. You have thoroughly embarrassed yourself, but I don't expect it to stop you.


Really? It was just near the top of the google search. I've been periodically learning about this for a couple years.

If you support this pipeline you're a short sighted idiot. I know there is better ways to put it, but that pretty much sums it up. Let them ship this shite to China.. let's move forward.








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mograyback
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If this were true we wouldn't being doing it...keep it up champ, you're building quite a record.



Haha what? So the transformation doesn't use crude oil?

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Actually, "green" energy just burns up capital as it is in fact completely uneconomic.


Please don't talk about economics.

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You misunderstand, it's the fact that the oil will be produced regardless of whether or not Keystone is built or if the oil is shipped here for refining


Nah, I didn't misunderstand.. I was referring to a comment someone made in this thread about China using it if we didn't.



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What don't you get about less being invested in clean energy. You are extremely dense to want to waste an extremely valuable and limited resource (crude oil) to turn tar sand into a low grade oil. You don't know much about economics do you?


Only crude old can be used to convert it?






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mograyback
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Only crude old can be used to convert it?


What?

Buddy, you MUST use crude oil to transform it.

Your scope of things is so tiny it's hilarious.



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cwill
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Look this is a pointless conversation, you are either willfully ignorant or have twisted yourself into an illogical pretzel. You do not understand the Energy industry from conventional to unconventional to green nor basic economics.

Suffice to say, even the Obama admin isn't as retarded/ignorant as you, Keystone XL is coming, the oil from the oil sands are coming. This conversation is moot.






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Please don't talk about economics.









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cwill
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Only crude old can be used to convert it?


The kid is trolling....he reminds me of some former posters, no substance just name calling and emoticons.






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wickowick
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Buddy, you MUST use crude oil to transform it.


Please teach me ole' master...







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cwill
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It does have to be mixed with lighter crudes in order to flow and for some refining, however, the net effect is more crude more energy...if it produced less energy than was consumed it would be uneconomic or if it produced a less valuable or net less valuable product than was consumed, again, it would be uneconomic and not produced.





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mograyback
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Please teach me ole' master...


Cwill talked about it to a degree, but didn't mention that nearly every machine used in the transformation needs crude oil, plus everything along the supply chain of this lower grade product.




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mograyback
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The kid is trolling....he reminds me of some former posters, no substance just name calling and emoticons.


1. I have used no emoticons.

2. I called you a ball bag because I called it tar sand, you said it wasn't and gave the exact definition of tar sand. And then ignored this ignorance on your part.

3. I'm trolling because I think this tar sands project is a joke.. really? So having a differing opinion is trolling? A lot of people don't like this project, I guess they would all be trolls?






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cwill
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but didn't mention that nearly every machine used in the transformation needs crude oil, plus everything along the supply chain of this lower grade product.


And if the ultimate product cost more than it was worth (i.e. produced less energy than was consumed) there would be no company producing the oil sands. That's the part you don't get.






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cwill
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2. I called you a ball bag because I called it tar sand, you said it wasn't and gave the exact definition of tar sand. And then ignored this ignorance on your part.


You said it was a tar, it's not actual tar. Tar sand is just a name...it's a pointless point regardless as no one argued or believes it was free flowing crude.






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