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BigBoyTiger 
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:06 pm to DEANintheYAY)
I personally would be okay with going over the cliff.
This country needs some tough medicine to get itself back in line. The cuts to entitlements, I would be in favor of, even with an increase in taxes.
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DEANintheYAY 
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:07 pm to goatmilker)
Part of negotiating is having competing plans. Right now we have 1 plan. Why can't Republicans put forth what they want cut and how they want to raise revenue.
I don't think anyone thinks this was a dictatorial election, but at the same time there were 2 views presented and Americans chose the vision of Obama which is to increase taxes on those making $250k+. Survey data back up their support for increasing these taxes.
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Interception
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:08 pm to goatmilker)
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If the prez doesn't want to negotiate and reach a compromise then they should walk away. This was not a dictatorial election victory no matter what you think. The prez has only four more years not so the rest of us. Besides, these numbers are still just a drop in the debt bucket.
No shit, it's not as if these cuts make any difference in regards to our deficit. On the other hand, I have no idea why the Republicans want to protect the wealthy anyway? Most of them voted for Obama.
ETA: If we want to call $500,000 rich I have no problem with that but 250k is not an accurate depiction of rich in my mind.
This post was edited on 11/30 at 3:12 pm
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BigBoyTiger
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:11 pm to DEANintheYAY)
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Why can't Republicans put forth what they want cut and how they want to raise revenue.
Well, it may not have been leaked for political gain.
But honestly, they did this for three months in the summer of 2011. It's pretty clear where the Republicans stand on the issues. There haven't been any major changes. They want significant spending cuts.
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BugAC
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Baton Rouge
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:11 pm to Interception)
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I have no idea why the Republicans want to protect the wealthy anyway? Most of them voted for Obama anyway.
Who hires people? Wealthy or poor?
I do not want 1 cent in tax increases....for anybody. This government has proven it can not manage our tax dollars. Why the frick give them any more? Please, 1 person answer that question.
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BigBoyTiger
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:12 pm to DEANintheYAY)
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Survey data back up their support for increasing these taxes.
Yeah..as long as its the rich guy on the corner who they are envious of is paying more, that's okay.
But touch their taxes...noooooo...don't do that.
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Interception
Providence Fan
Member since Nov 2008
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:16 pm to BugAC)
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Who hires people? Wealthy or poor?
I do not want 1 cent in tax increases....for anybody. This government has proven it can not manage our tax dollars. Why the frick give them any more? Please, 1 person answer that question.
frick the wealthy!
Why are you standing up for people that aren't creating jobs?
This post was edited on 11/30 at 3:18 pm
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mmcgrath
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:17 pm to DEANintheYAY)
The Republicans are just working on a new narrative to support trying to block everything that the administration proposes and still save face.
It isn't working.
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BugAC
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Baton Rouge
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:19 pm to mmcgrath)
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The Republicans are just working on a new narrative to support trying to block everything that the administration proposes and still save face.
Why do you want more tax increases, to give to a government who has proven time and time again, that they can't manage the money we taxpayer give them?
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ZereauxSum
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Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2008
5775 posts
| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:19 pm to C)
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quote: He ran on an won on the concept of increasing taxes on those making $250k
You seem to forget the house republicans also ran and won on cutting spending.
This right here. This is the thing.
The electorate was clear on what it wanted; Higher taxes on affluent and above, but also substantive spending cuts to address the debt.
There is no reason that both can't happen so if the President and the House screw this up, I just give up.
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Interception
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:25 pm to ZereauxSum)
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The electorate was clear on what it wanted; Higher taxes on affluent and above, but also substantive spending cuts to address the debt.
There is no reason that both can't happen so if the President and the House screw this up, I just give up.
Well said...
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Interception
Providence Fan
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:26 pm to mmcgrath)
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The President isn't working.
Fixed
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DEANintheYAY
Cal State Fullerton Fan
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:31 pm to BigBoyTiger)
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This country needs some tough medicine to get itself back in line. The cuts to entitlements, I would be in favor of, even with an increase in taxes.
I wouldn't be mad if it went over the cliff. I really think we need spending cuts that include cuts to entitlements AND the military.
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goatmilker 
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:35 pm to DEANintheYAY)
Agreed but with little to no trust between parties negotiations must be behind closed doors with frank talk that won't get leaked.
I've said before it will come down one day to equal cuts across the board to make eveyone unhappy which is the way it should be.
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ZereauxSum
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Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2008
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:36 pm to DEANintheYAY)
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Why can't Republicans put forth what they want cut and how they want to raise revenue.
Because Boehner has already offered up what is acceptable in terms of new revenue. Now it's Obama's turn to offer up acceptable spending cuts.
If they are just going to throw unrealistic plans at each other so the other side can bat them away and point fingers like friggin third graders, then they'll get nowhere.
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DEANintheYAY
Cal State Fullerton Fan
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:37 pm to ZereauxSum)
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There is no reason that both can't happen so if the President and the House screw this up, I just give up.
Agreed. And I think both will happen. Its just negotiations.
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:39 pm to Interception)
Gergen may be the first to admit they may have made a mistake electing Obama-
Stay tuned
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LSU0358
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:45 pm to goatmilker)
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Besides, these numbers are still just a drop in the debt bucket.
Exactly. I love how Barry makes a big deal out of 1.6 trillion over 10 years. This gives 160 billion a year when the US currently runs approximately 1.2 trillion in defecits. Granted governent revenue from taxes will increase when we get out of the recession in the next 2-4 years, but I don't know that it will go up 1 trillion dollars.
But hey, there is always inflation.
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ZereauxSum
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Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2008
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| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 3:46 pm to DEANintheYAY)
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Agreed. And I think both will happen. Its just negotiations.
I hope you're right. I could be wrong, but I believe the economic picture will get really ugly of the automatic cuts happen.
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ChineseBandit58
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piney woods
Member since Aug 2005
7412 posts
| re: Gergen: Will Obama push us over the cliff? (Posted on 11/30/12 at 8:57 pm to DEANintheYAY)
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Republicans need to put an offer on the table.
bs - the GOP put offers on the table last term and Obama/Reid did nothing except scoff at them.
Obama was elected. It is time for that bastard to stop campaigning and do some friggin' work. Let Obama put an offer on the table that has a chance of working. All he has done is ask for the moon again as he has done before - nothing serious about that a-hole.
I hope the GOP tells him to stuff it. He has crashed the economy and it is up to him to make some attempt to fix what he busted.
All the Obamaphiles should urge their dear leader to actually act on his promises. Unless they are all too stupid or too drugged up to notice. Or else they don't care if the economy crashes, which I suspect is the case.
Any GOPer who tries to 'compromise' with the DEMs on this should be voted out in the primaries.
Let the friggin' DEMs own what they broke. Compromising with them just allows them to blame the GOP for the failure - like they did with GWBush.
And Reagan.
The DEMs always promise reducing expenditures down the road in exchange for tax increases now. And the lying bastards have done nothing but make fun of the GOP falling for it AGAIN - like Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown. If we let the GOP end up with their foot in the air and the DEMs laughing at them again I think I will really go postal.
Let the DEMs fix their mess. NO COOPERATION (which to the DEMs means total capitulation) with the bastards.
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