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How the GOP could rebrand itself



I’ve been giving some thought, like many people, how the GOP could reverse its current fortunes on the national stage. I’m a center-left guy and clearly not in the GOP’s target, but I’ve voted for GOP candidates in the past. In fact, this year I voted for a Republican for Congress as well as in plenty of local offices (where partisan leanings matter a lot less). So, here’s how I would vote for a GOP presidential candidate without the GOP selling its soul. I’m not expecting y’all to endorse the Democratic agenda or anything.

ONE. Stop being so f’n negative. The very best thing about Ronald Reagan is that he truly belived in the US as the “City on the Hill”. I’m a bit of an American Exceptionalist myself, but even if you aren’t, the idea that you sell the idea that America is Awesome should be obvious. It’s a lot better than being the Gloom and Doom party. No one is saying there aren’t problems, but there have always been problems and America has risen to the challenge throughout its history. For godsakes, tap into this vision of what’s GOOD about America.

TWO. Closely related, but stop f’n whining. The appeal to me of the GOP has always been that it’s always been a party that embraced the idea to “stop whining and deal with it.” If the Dems are giving us the Mommy State, the GOP has been the Daddy State. No, life isn’t fair and no one’s gonna give you anything. So try harder. There’s a lot of appeal in this. But geez, when did the GOP let in so many whiners? This is tied closely to the idea of positivity, but stop casting yourself as a bunch of victims. Oh, Obama’s done this horrible thing to me and my life is over. Seriously. STFU. It’s preaching to the choir, and I don’t even think a lot of your choir buys it. It’s not that “Americans don’t want to work” or some such nonsense. You just don’t do a good enough job of articulating your vision. So do better instead of complaining about it.

THREE. Science is awesome. There’s no reason the GOP can’t be the Party of Science. Liberals are making some seriously specious claims about genetically modified food and green energy, but y’all can’t call them out on it because you’ve got a huge wing of your party denying evolution or hyping clean coal. America’s economy has always been built on innovation as far back as steel. Tap into how business has always championed science and innovation. Invest in science and technology. Why are you losing Silicon Valley? Those people are rich! Speak to them with more than just tax cuts, but also innovation and getting out of their way to innovate more.

FOUR. Tax cuts don’t solve everything. Economy is strong? TAX CUTS! Economy is floundering? TAX CUTS! Corruption on Wall street? TAX CUTS! It’s like you only have one tool in your toolbox. If you only own a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I’m not saying never advocate tax cats, but if you advocate them to both stimulate and slow down the economy, I don’t believe you anymore. You just don’t want to pay taxes and are trying to vote yourself the treasury.

FIVE. Don’t oppose things just because Dems do. Take ownership of your ideas. Damn it, this pisses me off more than anything. It’s first grade shite. The Heritage Foundation, a rightwing think tank, came up with the health care reform and it was implemented by Romney in Massachusettes. But now we’re against it! As far as I can tell, mainly because Obama’s for it. Cap and trade was a GOP idea. Now, the GOP opposes it as soon as they get Dem support. These are your ideas and they were good ones. But as soon as you convince the other side, you then condemn the idea as a wedge issue. It makes me want to spit blood. The GOP should be standing up saying that the Demas are intellectually bankrupt and just stealing their ideas. Why vote for the party that will just come around to our ideas in ten years? Get in now.

Just some thoughts. Disregard me at your leisure.







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How the GOP could rebrand itself


Be more fiscally conservative.

THat's all they have to do.

Not a single liberal has explained how Obama's 1.5 trillion fiscal cliff spending plan reduces the debt. The math simply does not work.






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I agree with several points in here. But the biggest issue is candidate quality IMO. Whether it be the two morons running for Senate with the rape comments, or two Presidential cadidates who can't connect with the American people in McCain and Romney. Let's face it, Obama has had it easy as far as his opponents are concerned.






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A whole lot of truthiness in your post.


Thing I would take most issue with is your first point. Reagan was plenty freakin' negative about Carter when running against him. I think it is just fine to be negative about the horrible job dems have done. BUT they need to offer clearer alternatives and that's some of what your points 2-5 get to.



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I think the GOP's only shot is a Santorum/Bachmann 2016 run.







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I'm glad you didn't mention moving left on social issues. Social issues arent what are losing the elections. If someone votes democrat purely because of the thought that a repub in the WH means the end of abortion, then they're not the level headed people you want in your base anyway. Those things you listed may work but I'm of the Chicken Little mindset that too many in this country really enjoy the idea of being taken care of by the government and it's too late to change that way of thinking.





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Thing I would take most issue with is your first point. Reagan was plenty freakin' negative about Carter when running against him. I think it is just fine to be negative about the horrible job dems have done. BUT they need to offer clearer alternatives and that's some of what your points 2-5 get to.

True. I'm not saying you don't say you never attack. But you have to have your own vision. And Reagan had one. while Carter was preaching "malaise", Reagan was talking City on the Hill.

People respond to a positive vision. Also, voters don't like to be told they suck. "Amercians aren't willing to do X" is a horrible pitch. and untrue.






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I’ve been giving some thought, like many people, how the GOP could reverse its current fortunes on the national stage. I’m a center-left guy and clearly not in the GOP’s target, but I’ve voted for GOP candidates in the past. In fact, this year I voted for a Republican for Congress as well as in plenty of local offices (where partisan leanings matter a lot less). So, here’s how I would vote for a GOP presidential candidate without the GOP selling its soul. I’m not expecting y’all to endorse the Democratic agenda or anything.


I shall do my best in responding. A change is needed, but by how much. And really isn't it just a return, as most of your points lay out?

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ONE. Stop being so f’n negative. The very best thing about Ronald Reagan is that he truly belived in the US as the “City on the Hill”. I’m a bit of an American Exceptionalist myself, but even if you aren’t, the idea that you sell the idea that America is Awesome should be obvious. It’s a lot better than being the Gloom and Doom party. No one is saying there aren’t problems, but there have always been problems and America has risen to the challenge throughout its history. For godsakes, tap into this vision of what’s GOOD about America.


Agree on this. But two things happen: Liberals (different from the neutral term left-leaning, so I'm not blaming), do two things: Either turn everything into an emotional argument OR just paint you as an over-Patriotic. I love the idea, and honestly I try to be positive. I'd almost wager to say that optimism is frowned upon by everyone.

See the tiger rant for examples.

We are an overly critical society now, so it's a natural reaction to be wary of anyone who is positive.

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TWO. Closely related, but stop f’n whining. The appeal to me of the GOP has always been that it’s always been a party that embraced the idea to “stop whining and deal with it.” If the Dems are giving us the Mommy State, the GOP has been the Daddy State. No, life isn’t fair and no one’s gonna give you anything. So try harder. There’s a lot of appeal in this. But geez, when did the GOP let in so many whiners? This is tied closely to the idea of positivity, but stop casting yourself as a bunch of victims. Oh, Obama’s done this horrible thing to me and my life is over. Seriously. STFU. It’s preaching to the choir, and I don’t even think a lot of your choir buys it. It’s not that “Americans don’t want to work” or some such nonsense. You just don’t do a good enough job of articulating your vision. So do better instead of complaining about it.


Everyone whines, but yes.

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THREE. Science is awesome. There’s no reason the GOP can’t be the Party of Science. Liberals are making some seriously specious claims about genetically modified food and green energy, but y’all can’t call them out on it because you’ve got a huge wing of your party denying evolution or hyping clean coal. America’s economy has always been built on innovation as far back as steel. Tap into how business has always championed science and innovation. Invest in science and technology. Why are you losing Silicon Valley? Those people are rich! Speak to them with more than just tax cuts, but also innovation and getting out of their way to innovate more.


Hard to disagree here as well. And I seriously doubt the small fringe that are so skeptical of science would run screaming to the left if they did this. Keep everything traditional, but USE science more effectively.

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FOUR. Tax cuts don’t solve everything. Economy is strong? TAX CUTS! Economy is floundering? TAX CUTS! Corruption on Wall street? TAX CUTS! It’s like you only have one tool in your toolbox. If you only own a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I’m not saying never advocate tax cats, but if you advocate them to both stimulate and slow down the economy, I don’t believe you anymore. You just don’t want to pay taxes and are trying to vote yourself the treasury.


It really schould be "Let's be fiscally conscious," or "Let's reduce government waste." but yeah.

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Just some thoughts. Disregard me at your leisure.


Right-wingers have to do two things very well:

1. Move back to the true conservative/small-government base
2. Communicate that move to the public and support it successfully

They have to win the media war. Plain and simple. And they have to do it by being honest and straight with the public.

I'd take ownership of the last 8 years of misuse of Republican ideas, and move from there.







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I'm glad you didn't mention moving left on social issues. Social issues arent what are losing the elections. If someone votes democrat purely because of the thought that a repub in the WH means the end of abortion, then they're not the level headed people you want in your base anyway.


Team Republican's obsession with abortion frustrates me to no end. It's not about abortion. It's about the hypocrisy of the Republican Party in claiming to stand for "limited government" yet champion policies that stick the government in every facet of our personal lives. Roughly 70% of those under 30 support gay marriage. They view the Republican Party's opposition as, literally, no different than laws forbidding interracial marriages from a few generations ago.

Before you accuse young people of being single issue voters, they aren't. They simply aren't going to ignore the hypocrisy. Gay marriage is just one, easy example. Does that mean they will vote Dem in droves? Not necessarily. More likely, it will keep them home because neither party offers what they are looking for.






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Team Republican's obsession with abortion frustrates me to no end.


So as a libertarian, you don't support the fights of the innocent lives that are selfishly slaughtered?






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ONE. Stop being so f’n negative.



How are they any more negative than the Democrats? Democrats ran their campgain entirely on negativity. Romney's a felon! Romney's killed a guys wife! Republicans want to ban contraception! You didn't build it!


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TWO. Closely related, but stop f’n whining.



Again. I don't see how Democrats are any different. In fact they are much worse they whine even when they win if you don't agree with them.

The left is perpetually angry and always has something to complain about.


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THREE. Science is awesome.



Sure. As long as it's not being corrupted and influenced by politics.


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FOUR. Tax cuts don’t solve everything.



No. What's really need most is cutting spending. But Democrats refuse to ever cut entitlements cause that's how they win elections.


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FIVE. Don’t oppose things just because Dems do.



Why not? When have the Democrats ever had any good ideas? And I don't care if their ideas originally came from some Republicans. Bad policy is bad policy no matter which party proposes it.


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Just some thoughts. Disregard me at your leisure.


You should actually like the GOP it's being run by people who are center-left. Conservatives don't run or control the GOP. And to me that is the problem with the GOP.






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So as a libertarian, you don't support the fights of the innocent lives that are selfishly slaughtered?


I don't have a firm stance on the issue. Abortion is unique in that reasonable people disagree when the "innocent life" actually becomes a person and gains rights as an individual. If you remove the religious overtones from the debate, it's very difficult to nail down.

Regardless, you misunderstood what I meant. I wasn't saying that Republicans shouldn't fight abortion. I was saying that Republicans seem to disregard any opposition on social issues as "they just want to kill babies!" Until the Republican party recognizes that expansive social restrictions are not conducive to a "limited government" stance, Republicans will continue their struggles with young people.

And just to reiterate, you can continue your opposition to abortion. Again, I think reasonable people can disagree, and I by no means think abortion is what is costing you elections. Except for when you talk about babies conceived by rape. Seriously, stop doing that.






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FOUR. Tax cuts don’t solve everything. Economy is strong? TAX CUTS! Economy is floundering? TAX CUTS! Corruption on Wall street? TAX CUTS! It’s like you only have one tool in your toolbox. If you only own a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I’m not saying never advocate tax cats, but if you advocate them to both stimulate and slow down the economy, I don’t believe you anymore. You just don’t want to pay taxes and are trying to vote yourself the treasury.


Most of your post is good, but I whole heartedly disagree with this.

Tax receipts are near record highs. We do NOT have an income problem. WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM.

Tax receipts
2005 - $2.153 trillion
2006 - $2.407 trillion
2007 - $2.568 trillion
2008 - $2.524 trillion
2009 - $2.105 trillion
2010 - $2.162 trillion
2011 - $2.304 trillion
2012 (est) - $2,469 trillion






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Tax receipts are near record highs. We do NOT have an income problem. WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM.



I'll never understand how anyone ever gets it into their heads that Washington just doesn't have enough money. The left controlling both academia and the media is the only thing I can think of.






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The GOP needs to come to terms that the policies of 55+ are not going to win them elections anymore especially with a more racially diverse country then we have ever had. They need to come to the middle or drop the social issues and not try to regulate morality. If they were all true republicans this country would be way better off. Also they should distance them selves form the tea party..it only hurts the GOP





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I think the GOP's only shot is a Santorum/Bachmann 2016 run.


Oh god, please no.






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I'll never understand how anyone ever gets it into their heads that Washington just doesn't have enough money. The left controlling both academia and the media is the only thing I can think of.


The math doesn't lie. But in all honesty, they are set on their ideology and the math doesn't matter.






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Solid post Baloo. I appreciate your incite on sports and this post didn't let me down.

I am fairly liberal now, but voted for W in 2000. The one thing that does piss me off about the Republican party is point 5. This infuriates me.

While I agree with you about being positive, the truth is that America is no longer truly exceptional. Our schools suck, our population is bloated, and our foreign policy is all over the place.

I would add to the list that they need to offer their own solutions rather than just saying NO.






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Tax receipts are near record highs. We do NOT have an income problem. WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM.

Tax receipts
2005 - $2.153 trillion
2006 - $2.407 trillion
2007 - $2.568 trillion
2008 - $2.524 trillion
2009 - $2.105 trillion
2010 - $2.162 trillion
2011 - $2.304 trillion
2012 (est) - $2,469 trillion


That would be fine if the population was the same as it was in 2005 and if the age breakdown of the population was similar to 2005.






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The GOP needs to come to terms that the policies of 55+ are not going to win them elections anymore especially with a more racially diverse country then we have ever had.



Well no not as long as the GOP allows the Democrats to maintain a permanent control over Academia, The Media and Hollywood.

The youth has been indoctrinated to the point where we need to focus on future generations not the 20something Obama voters who are already lost.






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