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Womski 
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| History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:01 pm)
People are being hypothetically critical about PPACA, but in the long run it will be seen as revolutionary, even for the progressive nature of our country, just as eliminating slavery, women's suffrage, eliminating the draft, etc.
People forget the bottom line of PPACA: that everyone is entitled to healthcare as human beings. No, it's not going to change overnight, but all this conspiracy talk and negativity is only going to see the critics left behind.
Imagine how history is going to look back on Obama and record his passage of the bill, it's challenge to the Supreme Court, and even the states pitching a fit about it; the end result is its validity and implementation.
It is obvious, through our elected representatives passing it, the Supreme Court upholding it, and the majority of our country reelecting the president, the PPACA is here to stay.
Regardless of whether or not we agree with it, we are all witness to a landmark period of history in our country. We might as well run some dirt on it and do what we can to adapt.
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Drew Orleans 
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:04 pm to Womski)
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everyone is entitled to healthcare as human beings
That's where you are wrong.
Also, it is not government's job to provide that.
This post was edited on 11/29 at 12:04 pm
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udtiger
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:07 pm to Womski)
Translation:
The complete abandonment of the Constitution, and any concept of limitation on the power of central government, is to be celebrated.
No thank you.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:08 pm to Drew Orleans)
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That's where you are wrong.
You disagree that we have a right to health care?
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constant cough 
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:13 pm to Womski)
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People forget the bottom line of PPACA: that everyone is entitled to healthcare as human beings.
No. It's not a right. And it's called Obamacare not PPACA and it's nothing but another tax.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:13 pm to constant cough)
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No. It's not a right
Why not?
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MoreOrLes
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
WHY?
Where is it spelled out in the constitution.
A WHY would you believe that government knows shite about patient care.
OBAMAcare was never about healthcare. Its about retaining power and vote buying. No part of it has anything to do with patient advocacy.
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PaddlingTiger
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Why not?
It certainly seems humane and dare I say "Christian" to make it a right.
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Elcid96
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Why not?
Why?
Is it a right to healthcare or healthcare insurance?
YOu know there is a difference right.
What level of healthcare do people have a right to?
Band aid or the best most advanced care? Who gets to decided where that line is drawn? YOU the GOV?
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McChowder
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
Hate to ruin your thread. I'm sure you feel like you're on a roll BUT....we have had a "right" to health care since the 60's. No one, by law, can be turned down for needed medical treatment regardless of his/her ability to pay. Obamacare has nothing to do with medical "care".
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Elcid96
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:20 pm to Womski)
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Imagine how history is going to look back on Obama and record his passage of the bill, it's challenge to the Supreme Court, and even the states pitching a fit about it; the end result is its validity and implementation.
Yeah, go ask the Brits about how that is going
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themunch
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:21 pm to McChowder)
Obamacare has nothing to do with medical "care".
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:22 pm to MoreOrLes)
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WHY?
Where is it spelled out in the constitution.
Amendment IX:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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WHY would you believe that government knows shite about patient care.
That's not the point, first you have to establish that it is indeed a right, then you go about figuring out how to protect it.
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50Mullets
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:25 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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You disagree that we have a right to health care?
Healthcare is provided by people. Saying you have the right to healthcare is the same as saying you have the right to compel someone else to action.
For example. Lets say you need your appendix cut out, but the doctor would rather go fishing. Your 'right' to healthcare would require that doctor to give up his vacation to fix you.
Simple rule of wrist, if it costs someone else time or money then it isn't one of your rights.
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Scruffy 
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:25 pm to Womski)
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People forget the bottom line of PPACA: that everyone is entitled to healthcare as human beings. No, it's not going to change overnight, but all this conspiracy talk and negativity is only going to see the critics left behind.
HOORAY!!
Wait, hold on. Will this address the lazy and unhealthy nature of our citizenry?
Nope, thus it does nothing. It won't make medical care cheaper. It'll just balloon the amount that the government spends on it. Without any actual repercussions due to poor life decisions, there is no incentive to live healthier lives.
This addresses a symptom of the disease because no one wants to attack the "disease".
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Imagine how history is going to look back on Obama and record his passage of the bill, it's challenge to the Supreme Court, and even the states pitching a fit about it; the end result is its validity and implementation.
Well, since no one seems to know what the financial impact will be, I say we hold out applause until we find out.
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Regardless of whether or not we agree with it, we are all witness to a landmark period of history in our country. We might as well run some dirt on it and do what we can to adapt.
And if the cost is astronomical, will you own it?
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Elcid96
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:26 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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That's not the point, first you have to establish that it is indeed a right,
Wow, so it has been there for years and we just couldn't see it....OK thanks!!! 
I guess TV's, Houses are now Rights..
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La Place Mike
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:26 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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You disagree that we have a right to health care?
Yes I disagree. Do you have a right to a house? Do you have a right to clothes? Do you a right to have shoes? Do you have a right to a car? Do you have a right to food?
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:26 pm to McChowder)
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Hate to ruin your thread. I'm sure you feel like you're on a roll BUT....we have had a "right" to health care since the 60's. No one, by law, can be turned down for needed medical treatment regardless of his/her ability to pay. Obamacare has nothing to do with medical "care".
It's not my thread, I just jumped into it. So, I'm not really on a roll - yet.
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we have had a "right" to health care since the 60's. No one, by law, can be turned down for needed medical treatment regardless of his/her ability to pay
Unfortunately, most Americans seem ignorant to that fact that access to health care is a right. See above.
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Womski
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:26 pm to MoreOrLes)
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Where is it spelled out in the constitution.
Have you ever seen the constitution? You might be surprised to know that of all the legislation since our country's founding, hardly any of it is "spelled out in the constitution".
This post was edited on 11/29 at 12:27 pm
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Elcid96
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| re: History will be kind to Barack Obama, mainly because of PPACA (Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:29 pm to Womski)
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Have you ever seen the constitution? You might be surprised to know that of all the legislation since our country's founding, hardly any of it is "spelled out in the constitution".
OK...cool. So if everyone is doing it...it makes it OK for you to claim it is a right now....weeeeeeeee
I have a right to a job.
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