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LeagueCityTiger
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The Root of the Les Criticism IMHO.


This is how I have always viewed Les:

I'm thinking there are at least 2-3 losses over the Miles tenure that have potentially costs either a title or a shot at a title. This is what frustrates me and most fans in my opinion. We have had top-5 talent every year and it FEELS like we should have been to and won at least one more title. We think to ourselves is there a coach out there that would get us over the hump to domination (multiple BCS titles). We want to say yes and don't see Les as that guy.

With that being said, while there may be a handful of coaches that could get us over that hump, there ARE THOUSANDS of coaches that would not have won 10 games a season year in and year out and established our program the way he has. He has done an outstanding job in that respect building a consistent winner, but it's those, "ones we let get away" that leads to my frustration at times (Auburn 2006, Alabama 2011, Alabama and Florida this year etc).







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Topwater Trout
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The only thing that frustrates me with Les is his handling of the offense over the last few years. I do not think he made improving the offense a priority.

NO ONE CAN ARGUE HIS SUCCESS!






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theunknownknight
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He directly game day coaches us out of games costing us a shot at the NC (see Bama this year). The team almost won despite his game day coaching.





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cajunjj
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I like the mad hatter but some times I have to scratch my head on some of his calls. One thing about it he is hard to prepare for because he doesn't know what he is going to call himself.





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mach316
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Because watching our offense is often painful..





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LSU92
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I'm thinking there are at least 2-3 losses over the Miles tenure that have potentially costs either a title or a shot at a title.


This reminds me of 2002 Arkansas game when Saban settled for a field goal and then allowed back to back hail mary passes to cost us a trip to Atlanta.

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This is what frustrates me and most fans in my opinion.


What frustrates me is that people don't realize that it happens to every coach, even the best ones. I'll give you two other Saban games: 2003 Florida (easily could have cost LSU the title)and 2004 Auburn(cost LSU a trip to Atlanta).

Saban was a great coach at LSU, but even he had some tough ones. It happens to all of them, but people have short memories.







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GeauxTigerTM
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The Root of the Les Criticism IMHO


Can be summed up in three words:

He's.

Not.

Nick.

This has ALWAYS been the problem for some, and since day one have looked for reason to vilify the guy. That's not to say he's been perfect...no coach ever has been. But then that's the point, isn't it? Miles is seemingly held to standard literally no other coach is, or has been. We've got people bitching on this site because they are unable to see that other than BAMA there is literally no other program in the nation we ought to envy...

It's not debatable that Les has been more successful then Nick was as LSU's coach. The numbers don't lie. Les' problem was that where Nick was able to tell the fans to essentially go frick themselves because he was working on the process (and for the first time in the history of our state EVERYONE seemed to get on board) Les seems more affable and more of a target for criticism.

Truth is for some here, no amount of winning or championships or anything would make Miles equal to their long lost unrequited love now residing in Tuscaloosa.






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LSU GrandDad
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i agree. i think it would've been a huge risk to let miles go but most of us are frustrated with the ability of our teams to make that final step. it is clearly the inability of the offense to perform at a level consistent with the defense that is holding us back from winning more championships. first it was the OL ('09, etc) that couldn't block shit, then it was the qb's and now it is both (at least this year). are offense is built to power run with the 3rd down pass to get the first down. really good defenses or even decent defenses that scheme to stop our run have had too much success against our offense. a good defense forces and offense to make plays and our O has not (in general) stepped up to the challenge over an entire season. we have had some damn bad luck; OL attrition, krag's illness, etc but we need to get over the offense hump if we are going to win more titles. our frustration, as fans, is that miles ain't getting it done on that side of the ball. yes, we score enough to win most games but it is obvious to all that we are not a top offense. hell, we can't even power run at critical game times anymore against quality opponents. we need something and i, like most, feel that a quality OC might make a difference. having stud as OC is only OJT for a line coach and that experiment should end. let stud go find a different school to learn the craft. we need to get an established quality guy that can have the authority to build a balanced offense. i think we can find a replacement for stud as OL coach pretty easily.






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Clockwatcher68
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The Root of the Les Criticism IMHO.


I think it's simpler than that...

The root is that he followed Saban. On top of that, Saban went to a division rival and is having great success there.

If you look at his record, he's been great for LSU overall. He's a unique character. He wins.






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Gray Tiger
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The Root of the Les Criticism IMHO.


1. He isn't perfect(however perfection may be defined in the minds of people that have little depth to their football knowledge).
2. He isn't Nick Saban(who IS perfect in the minds of people with little depth to their football knowledge).
3. None of which matters to some people who are chronically disappointed in their own lives and project that onto Les Miles.
4.Some are just hopeless numbnutz.






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LSU Groupee
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You are an idiot if you really believe that shite.





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Geauxld Finger
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Some of these things are not Les's fault. Look at is this way. This season if we play UK or UT instead of UF as a permanent opponent we are prepping for our second straight SECCG.

Every year we play UF and get shafted in the scheduling department, there is a higher chance we drop a game to a top 10 team, unlike bama who has to get up for 1, maybe 2 games a year.






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dos crystal
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The Root of the Les Criticism IMHO


The root is, Nick Saban. The people who refuse to acknowledge miles is one of the top coaches in the land, view saban as thier guy. They wish he was still here and really think he would come back if les left.

has nothing to do with les. It's their love for saban. that's their guy. They like a coach who's chewing out players. it's miles #1 flaw in their mind. he's way to respectful.






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jimithing11
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He is a great coach off the field, recruiting, player developer, etc.

But he is terrible when it comes to being an in-game coach

That's the problem many have with him.






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RogerTheShrubber
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What you have in Les is a program coach. You may not like parts of his program, but it's successful. He may not be the best game day coach (maybe not close) but he runs a very good program.





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AngryBeavers
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He runs a Big 10 offense in the SEC. Needs to get a quality coordinator and let him call the plays.





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BearTiger
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I'm thinking there are at least 2-3 losses over the Miles tenure that have potentially costs either a title or a shot at a title. This is what frustrates me and most fans in my opinion. We have had top-5 talent every year and it FEELS like we should have been to and won at least one more title.


Most programs would dream of being in the hunt for a championship in 6 seasons over an 8 year tenure. Of course there are frustrating losses during a coaches 8 year tenure. This is college football, and every loss is frustrating because it means so much.

Your problem in your argument is that every major program has these frustrating losses over a period of time that did or could have cost them a shot at the bcs championship game. Here are some examples from just this season:
Florida lost to UGA - had a ton of turnovers
Bama lost to A&M - Passed the ball inside the 10 year line
Oregon lost to Stanford - Couldn't get offense going and didn't make any offensive adjustments
UGA - Got smoked by South Carolina 35-7
Florida St. - Lost to an unranked NC State team

All of these teams mentioned have close or comparable talent to LSU, and the only one that played as tough a schedule this year is Florida.

Every program has "the ones that get away." Miles is not a perfect coach, but he is still a great coach. With a bowl win, he will finish in the to 10 in 6 of 8 seasons and possibly in the top 5 in 5 of 8 seasons. That is pretty remarkable.







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CHSvideoman
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I agree, but at what point does every loss come to be seen in this perspective when the stakes are so high at a program like LSU. I view every loss as potentially NCG killing.





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LsuNav
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What frustrates me is playing down to the level of the competition. It denies the backups playing time and hurts our long term preparation. If Mett had more reps last year this year may have been different.

You can't win every game. I went ou to this site a couple days ago LINK
We should all complain at little less and be thankful for the run we are on.






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jdg91878
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You're all idiots





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