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RedHawk 
Army Fan
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| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:21 pm to LSUBoo)
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I don't really give a shite about the steroids.
I do, but it gets hard when people are trying to guess who took them and who didn't. Some are obvious like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire and Palmeiro. Some of the others you have to guess if they did or not.
Also, Sosa was in no way shape or form a HOF player without the steroid help. Bonds and Clemens are HOF players with or without steroids.
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LSUBoo 
Bowling Green Fan
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| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:25 pm to RedHawk)
Palmeiro failed a test for an anabolic steroid while still playing after rules were put in place... he's the one I really balk at.
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geauxlsu07 
Louisville Fan
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Member since Jan 2005
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| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:27 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83)
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quote: Biggio, Piazza, and Schilling on for the first time. Also, do not think any of the above are first ballot worthy. Second time around for Schilling for sure, maybe Biggio and Piazza. Maybe.
Piazza not 1st ballot worthy??? The frick?? He is as of now the best hitting catcher in MLB history and should be 1st ballot 10 out of 10 times
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GynoSandberg 
Clemson Fan
Member since Jan 2006
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| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:30 pm to geauxlsu07)
No shite. Piazza is easily 1st ballot IMO.
Sosa, McGwire, Clemens, Bonds, Schilling.. those guys were a part of some of the greatest moments in baseball history. Maybe Im sentimental because those moments were so great, but I think they all should be there, steroids or not. Well, maybe not Schilling.
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iAmBatman 
New Orleans Saints Fan
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| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:36 pm to LSUGrad9295)
anyone that doesn't think Bagwell was juicing needs to get their eyes checked 
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retooc 
Georgia Fan
Chicago
Member since Sep 2012
1229 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:37 pm to LSUGrad9295)
Bonds is dirty to you but Bagwell is not??
Classic.
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bomber77 
Ohio State Fan
Mississippi by way of Cleveland, OH
Member since Aug 2008
14414 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:38 pm to LSUGrad9295)
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Biggio, Piazza
Im in favor of these two.
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Tim Raines
If Raines gets in I think Kenny Lofton deserves consideration as well. Best leadoff hitter of the 90's.
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LSUGrad9295 
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
10107 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:42 pm to bomber77)
If Fred McGriff finally gets voted in, will he go into the Hall wearing this hat?
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SabiDojo 
South Alabama Fan
Open to any suggestions
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| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:44 pm to GynoSandberg)
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but I think they all should be there, steroids or not. Well, maybe not Schilling.
Hmm....3x World Series Champion, World Series MVP, over 3,000 strikeouts, and had the greatest comeback in Pennant History against their rivals when he should have been retired......let me think.....
This post was edited on 11/28 at 12:46 pm
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rutiger 
Rutgers Fan
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Member since Jun 2007
12123 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:48 pm to LSUBoo)
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Posted by LSUBoo Palmeiro failed a test for an anabolic steroid while still playing after rules were put in place... he's the one I really balk at.
If you failed a mlb steroid test, i think you shouldnt get in.
I'd vote the rest in though.
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Baloo
LSU Fan
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
41075 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:53 pm to LSUBoo)
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Palmeiro failed a test for an anabolic steroid while still playing after rules were put in place... he's the one I really balk at.
I actually agree with this. He's the only one to fail a test AFTER PED's were made against the rules of the sports. 90s drug users A) didn't fail any tests and B) there was no rule against it anyway. Raffy is a separate case.
My ballot:
DEFINITE YES
Bonds
Clemens
Piazza
Raines
Bagwell
PROBABLY YES
Biggio
Dale Murphy
MAYBE YES
Schilling
Edgar Martinez
Larry Walker
If I voted yes on all, it would be a full 10 man ballot. No space for McGriff or McGwire, who also deserve heavy consideration.
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CunningLinguist
New Orleans Saints Fan
Dallas, TX
Member since Mar 2006
12105 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:55 pm to beaver)
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Posted by beaver this is the year Dale Murphy gets in or else I give the HOF zero credibility
His prime was too short. He is the classic hall of very good player that deserves consideration but don't belong in
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molsusports
LSU Fan
Member since Jul 2004
22858 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:05 pm to LSUGrad9295)
Schilling gets in and maybe Jack Morris
Bonds and Clemens get a lot of votes but fall short. Sosa gets fairly few votes (the McGwire treatment)
not sure on Piazza - I always assumed he was juicing but his name stayed out of the headlines on the issue
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stapuffmarshy 
Syracuse Fan
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
12905 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:06 pm to molsusports)
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not sure on Piazza - I always assumed he was juicing
dude was smaller than me and I am a stick
no way he juiced, just not who he was as a person
clear 1st ballot, maybe the best hitting catcher I ever saw
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molsusports
LSU Fan
Member since Jul 2004
22858 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:09 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets)
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This is exactly why I believe the steroids issue shouldn't be considered with voting, because if they do it turns into a Salem Witch Trial situation with speculation running rampant whether or not someone juiced.
it is already that - people have decided to blackball McGwire
I'm fine with that so long as they treat all of the other presumed users the same way - that obviously means votign no on players like Sosa, Bonds, Palmiero, Bagwell, Clemens, Pettite...
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molsusports
LSU Fan
Member since Jul 2004
22858 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:12 pm to stapuffmarshy)
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no way he juiced, just not who he was as a person
I appreciate that you like MP but your argument that you can look at players and tell if they were using strikes me as silly.
Certainly there are guys like Bonds and McGwire who used so heavily the changes in their physiques were ridiculous... but skinny and fat guys also test positive and benefit from performance enhancement
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bomber77
Ohio State Fan
Mississippi by way of Cleveland, OH
Member since Aug 2008
14414 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:13 pm to molsusports)
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not sure on Piazza - I always assumed he was juicing but his name stayed out of the headlines on the issue
I never thought that.
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stapuffmarshy
Syracuse Fan
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
12905 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:14 pm to molsusports)
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but your argument that you can look at players and tell if they were using strikes me as silly.
I covered him as a reporter for 3 years. It's beyond that. But think what you want, I don't care
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Baloo
LSU Fan
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
41075 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:14 pm to bomber77)
Alex Sanchez. 1st player caught juicing. He was tiny speedster with no power. If he was juicing, everyone was juicing. And there is no body type to a juicer. It's ridiculous to think so.
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rutiger
Rutgers Fan
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Member since Jun 2007
12123 posts
| re: Baseball Hall of Fame ballot out today....felt dirty looking at it..who gets in? (Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:16 pm to molsusports)
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no way he juiced, just not who he was as a person
I appreciate that you like MP but your argument that you can look at players and tell if they were using strikes me as silly.
Certainly there are guys like Bonds and McGwire who used so heavily the changes in their physiques were ridiculous... but skinny and fat guys also test positive and benefit from performance enhancement
this is the problem with everyone from that era. there were no tests in place to know who was juicing, so people just go on assumptions. thats why i believe if you didnt fail a mlb test and you're worthy (bonds, clemons, ect) you should get in.
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