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SouthOfSouth
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LSU Basketball: The SoS Rating (Score on Stats)
Version 2 updated formulas(see page 5 for details):

Post Seton Hall updated:

Image: http://s5.postimage.org/tudk0anj9/So_S_Ratings_post_Seton_Hall.png

I have been working on a rating system to track how players impact each game. Rather than looking across the board and looking at 6 stats to pick and choose who had a good game or a poor performance, I wanted one value that would track each of these stats and show who had the greatest impact; cue the unadjusted SoS (Score on Stats) rating:

Explanation of the variables

pts : This variable is equal to the number of points a player scores. The value given to points is 1. This shows that a given player receives a 1 pt rating boost per point scored.

ast : This variable is equal to the number of assists a player receives. Given that in college basketball 33.9% of baskets are 3 pointers while 66.1% are 2 pointers I should give this a 2.3 point boost. I added the 0.2 to the rating for passes that lead to fouls, a stat that is not kept, but those who often receive assists also pass into fouls. This is to reward those plays.

reb : This variable is equal to the number of rebounds a player receives. I wanted points and rebounds to hold a similar point total. Rebounds are a very important part of basketball. Currently LSU averages 85pts and 45 rebs a game. If I wanted them to hold the same value a rebound should be worth 1.9 points, but I deducted 0.1 because defensive rebounds do not lead to easy points, thus should not get the same weight as actual points.

stl : This variable is equal to the number of steals a player receives. While a steal does not lead to automatic points, it does lead to a better chance at points due to the success of fast breaks so I made it worth 2.0. I also added a momentum bonus of 0.3 because the change in momentum a steal can bring.

blk : This variable is equal to the number of blocks a player receives. This variable receives a momentum bonus of 1.5 and a block factor of 1.5. Obviously a great block can bring excitement to a game. While it doesn’t lead to points, it reduces the chances of an opponent scoring.

to : This variable is equal to the number of turnovers a player is charged. The value given to a turnover is negative 2.3 due to the fast break and momentum given to the opposition similar to a stl. While it may not lead to a fast break, it reduces the points available to the team and gives an extra opportunity to the opposition.

This gives a players unadjusted SoS Rating. It is helpful to compare players and how they did against other players who may help the team with different stats (ex: PG gets assists, C gets rebounds). It also helps track how a player does over time. With it’s use of both time series and cross sectional analysis, it gives the rating a very important ability to compare lots of data.

One problem I had was comparing players who were great when they came in versus players who played well all game. With the amount of time difference it was easy for the players who played a long time to get better stats. That is why I have come up with the adjusted SoS Rating:

The only difference between the unadjusted and adjusted SoS Rating is the denominator and the 40 factor out side of the main equation.

The min in the denominator is a variable that is equal to the number of minutes a player is played in the game. The 40 factor outside the equation is to normalize for an entire game. Thus this rating gives what a player’s unadjusted rating would be given he played an entire regulation game. If a player plays less than 40 minutes, his adjusted SoS > unadjusted SoS. If a player plays more than 40 min (overtime required for this situation), his adjusted SoS < unadjusted SoS.

With this adjustment it makes it possible to compare players like Andrew Del Piero who has only played an average of 7.75 minutes per game to a player like Shavon Coleman who has played 30 minutes per game. It does not give what their impact was on the game, but what their impact/minute was while they were on the court. This number can be inflated for players who play very little in a game so it should be taken carefully.

As an example I will give you both the unadjusted and adjusted SoS ratings of each player to this point in the season:

As you can tell, this gives a pretty good measure of how each player has performed this season. Coleman leads on average unadj SoS of 37.5 with Hickey right behind him at 36.78. BUT, they have played the most minutes. If you look at the adjusted SoS Ratings you see that Johnny O’Bryant has had the biggest impact while he is in the game. His 62.11 average is leaps and bounds above anyone else on the team, and if anyone saw his performance in the UC Santa Barbara game, you can completely understand how dominant a 99.64 adj SoS is.

You can also tell that Andrew Del Piero led the team in adj SoS rating in 2 games this season. When in the game he has had a major influence. If you take out his first game in which he only played a minute or two, he has the highest adj SoS on the team. I assume he will continue to get more playing time.

While there may be some changes to this formula, this is the first generation SoS rating system. Other stats under consideration are fouls committed and the separation of offensive and defensive rebounds. Imput is gladly accepted and appreciated. Sometimes with simplicity you find very significant statistics, and I think this rating gives a great picture of how players are performing.
This post was edited on 12/3 at 9:57 am

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Man I am impressed

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This is like the money ball of LSU basketball....
Impressive guy. Impressive!

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Man I am impressed

I knew there was a reason I took that PhD class on research... Its only time before I go get into my SAS programming skills and really do some math.

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Impressive dedication my man.

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SOS putting in work son

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Good stuff.

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Great stuff , but how do you have the time to do this ?

SouthOfSouth
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Great stuff , but how do you have the time to do this ?

Honestly it took me very little actual grunt work time... I already keep spreadsheets of the stats for analysis. Thats how I can use the pie charts and some other time series graphs that will show their face once the SEC season starts. I added another tab to my excel and it updates automatically.

It takes me about 10 minutes after each game to input data from the official boxscore, but besides that it takes 0 time to update.

I've been thinking about it for a while and coming up with the point totals, but I've been working on it for a while in that sense.
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What.

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Should pts be a separate statistic?
Since it has such a low coefficient, this primarily tracks players' performances outside of points, so adding them in doesn't make sense.

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Should pts be a separate statistic?
Since it has such a low coefficient, this primarily tracks players' performances outside of points, so adding them in doesn't make sense.

Well, my reasoning behind making the rating in the first place was to try and capture all the statistics into one rating. Because its coefficient is only 1 it would be very easy to deduct from an unadjusted SoS if you find that number more interesting, but I think its an intricate and important part of the rating.

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This is fantastic.

Could you upload this to a Google doc and update it after the game so we can keep a running tab?

I, in turn, will use this rating for my own personal use to sound intelligent and give you silent mental credit.

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Also, pardon my ignorance: what does SoS stand for?

ETA: South of South. Got it.
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So based on this, we should start:
Hickey
Morgan
Coleman
JOB
Tuba

and see less of
Courtney (not seeing much anyway)
Collins (ditto)

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I, in turn, will use this rating for my own personal use to sound intelligent and give you silent mental credit.

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I think so too, but if two players have equal playing time and one has a fg and a 3pt and the other has two assists, i think the former had a bigger impact.

Eta: especially if he has a high fg %. Its a much more valuable statistic for him.
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I think so too, but if two players have equal playing time and one has a fg and a 3pt and the other has two assists, i think the former had a bigger impact.

Many times I think the pass is more important than the shot. What if his field goal was a wide open layup and the pass was while he was double teamed.

What if the three pointer was wide open in a spot that the assister knew he loved to shoot from? I think the assist is as important as the shot, or more.

Plenty of people have 15 point games, but we have yet to have a single player get even 7 assists in a game.

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