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CarrolltonTiger 
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 8:15 pm to baybeefeetz)
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But if other companies cut peoples' hours she can go get a job at one of those places to make up the difference.
You serious? You really think that is the way it works?
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Wolfhound45
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 8:21 pm to BFIV)
The Law of Unintended Consequences
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 8:25 pm to EST)
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Obamacare is NOT about health insurance. Its about liberals controlling your life. Wake up
You're almost there. They are setting it up to remain in power. They are the party of entitlements. The more people on entitlements the more they will vote for those providing the gifts. This years election was evidence that it's working.
This post was edited on 11/22 at 8:26 pm
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LSU alum wannabe
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 8:29 pm to Libertariantiger)
Did she already use MedicAid? If pizza hut did not carry her insurance she had to be on MedicAid. There is no affordable insurance. That is the problem.
All who bitch about Obamacare propose what???
I have NO ANSWER either. Just curious as to the Obama haters answers.
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BFIV
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 8:44 pm to LSU alum wannabe)
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If pizza hut did not carry her insurance she had to be on MedicAid.
Makes too much to be eligible for Medicaid. Assistant Manager may sound like a lofty title, but that's all it is: a lofty title. And lofty titles don't put beans on the table.
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BFIV
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 8:48 pm to Wolfhound45)
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The Law of Unintended Consequences
Wolf, I don't think this is a case of unintended consequences. I think it is absolutely INTENDED. Most all of us here could see this enormous loophole in this law. And we're not even attorneys.
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Patrick O Rly 
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:02 pm to BFIV)
Dirtbag government: force businesses to pay for something their employees may or not need with a loophole; blame businesses when they take the loophole.
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Diamondawg 
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:14 pm to LSU alum wannabe)
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If pizza hut did not carry her insurance she had to be on MedicAid
Pretty sure you don't know what you are talking about.
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Wolfhound45
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:33 pm to BFIV)
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Wolf, I don't think this is a case of unintended consequences. I think it is absolutely INTENDED. Most all of us here could see this enormous loophole in this law. And we're not even attorneys.
You could be right my friend. I sincerely hope you are wrong. I am hoping this is simply a case of well intended naiveté. Bottom line, it is starting to have a very negative impact.
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Forgiving Morgan 
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:39 pm to BFIV)
In my opinion, this whole system is designed to slowly over time force a single payor system. First, the medicaid limit will be raised to 133% of the government's stated poverty level. That means anyone making less than roughly $30k is eligible for medicaid.
Second you have this "penalty" to employers of over 49 employees. If you read the fine print, the $2k penalty doesn't apply to all of your employees. If I recall correctly, you are only penalized on the number of employees above the threshold. Therefore, if you have 80 employees, you can choose to pay a 2k penalty on 80 - 49= 31 employees for a total of $62k, or you can pay the employer portion of a plan which on the low end is going to be $225/month and can be as much as $1200/month. $225/month x 80 employees x 12 months =$216,000
That's a no brainer as a businessman. The other options are to break thier companies into different entities with under 49 employees, or cut hours to satisfy part-time status. Any of these tactics will kick most people into the "exchange" which I believe will eventually become a federal program once the majority of people are on it.
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BFIV
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:45 pm to Forgiving Morgan)
Will Obamacare eventually result in cheaper health care costs and better health care? That is the bottom line to me and a lot of people.
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Forgiving Morgan
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:58 pm to BFIV)
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Will Obamacare eventually result in cheaper health care costs and better health care? That is the bottom line to me and a lot of people.
Better care- In my opinion no. You will see a decline in quality of care and more importantly in access to care. It will not be immedidate. It will happen over a period of 10-15 years.
Cheaper health care costs- Yes and no. With more and more people being directed into government payor benefit packages, the government will have the ability to set lower fees and dictate practice parameters to reduce costs. The other side of that (which I am already seeing in areas with strong industry and private or cash payors) is that the doc's are opting out of the federal programs.
Private payors reimburse SO much better than government payors, plus, the regulations and liability are exponentially less. This law puts physicians in a very difficult position.
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MoreOrLes
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:04 pm to Libertariantiger)
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It's sad, but if a single woman with two maybe three kids (cant remember exactly) who receives no support wanted to work, she would have to make 60k a year to surpass what the government would pay her in checks and services. This assumes she takes full advantage of all programs. Welfare, housing, food stamps, medic aide, etc. I read that off a Yahoo report not long ago.
pathetic
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Col Reb is my mascot 
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:10 pm to MoreOrLes)
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” Alexis de Tocqueville
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1STCoastTiger
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I remember when Obamacare first came out there being a comment that Congress would not participate in this program. It bothered me that if this was such a great healthcare option why wouldn't they use it. Double standard!
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Forgiving Morgan
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:23 pm to Forgiving Morgan)
I will tell y'all, there are some good things in the ACA. Insurance companies have been out of control for a while, and there are some things in the language that mitigate that.
Unfortunately, they went about it completely backwards. Instead of initiating competition and free market for health insurance, the government partnered with the insurance industry.
Alot of docs will bitch about tort reform. That's an issue, but its a drop in the bucket truth be known. The insurance anti-trust exemption is the issue. No competition = higher premiums. Drive through the downtown area of a major city....those real big tall buildings you see; they are either banks or health insurance companies. Im not sure why congress finds this to be non negotiable. Thats a worse law than ACA IMO.
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Champagne
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:25 am to LSU alum wannabe)
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All who bitch about Obamacare propose what???
I propose nothing. I say give the Dems/Leftists everything they want and let the destruction ensue. Eventually, the people will turn on them, and, the right path can then be taken.
But first, let the Left do their work.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/23/12 at 7:40 am to Champagne)
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Pennsylvania's Community College of Allegheny County (CCAC) is slashing the hours of 400 adjunct instructors, support staff, and part-time instructors to dodge paying for Obamacare.
Perhaps they can head over to a Pizza Hut to pick up some of those hours they lost at the university?
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Wolfhound45
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/23/12 at 7:49 am to BFIV)
Serious question, if ACA is so great, why are all these businesses using loopholes to avoid it?
Don't bother answering.
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JEAUXBLEAUX
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| re: We ain't seen nothin yet... (Posted on 11/23/12 at 7:53 am to Wolfhound45)
We are not arguing the merits of Obamacare. Seems the fault lies with those who are trying to beat it for $. Just proves the assertion that the people who need healthcare be damned because Poppa Johns, Pizza Hut et al don't give a damn about them.
The Corps with the bucks are still driving the bus. That shows we need Universal Healthcare or people who continue to take it in the wazoo.
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