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RockyMtnTigerWDE
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VOR


That is all.






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Elcid96
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Wow now cost will be contained? Oh do tell!

Explain how containing cost isn't going to effect device or quality?

Guess what you can't!

BTW are you debating now that the left didn't push this as a way to bring cost down and save billions?







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Elcid96
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Fine please show us the great example on the size of something near healthcare that the gov runs well! And their cost are "contained"!






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VOR
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Fine please show us the great example on the size of something near healthcare that the gov runs well! And their cost are "contained"!


With just a little bit of research, it's not difficult to find industrialized Western democracies that spend a lot less per capita than we do on healthcare costs. And the government plays a larger role in their system than is provided for with the AHCA.






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RogerTheShrubber
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One reason is Americans take more prescription drugs per capita than any nation in the world. Sweden, NZ and Germany are near the bottom.





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NimbleCat
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It will not be the disaster predicted by most posters here.


Well, there is always Mexico for all your healthcare needs in the future. The poor-ass bus loads of snow birds walking into Mexico for drugs, dental, and various exams will only increase. It is hard to get a good margarita and senorita these days due to all the damn healthcare refugees. It will only get worse...






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Elcid96
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So you can't show me one that our gov does!! Thanks! BTW we are a Republic!!

How much innovation and r&d do those other non republics contribute? How many of those countries have used our developed technology and new drugs! Those things aren't free! Guess what we do a ton to develop those things compared to others.

But I guess you think that none of this will effect the ability to find better drugs quicker!




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Lsut81
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Western democracies that spend a lot less per capita than we do on healthcare costs


So why do a lot of them come to the US for treatment







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NC_Tigah
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With just a little bit of research, it's not difficult to find industrialized Western democracies that spend a lot less per capita than we do on healthcare costs. And the government plays a larger role in their system than is provided for with the AHCA.
Jesus VOR, that is the same level of inductive logic mograyback is using to claim a shadow government brought down WTC7 and the Pentagon on 9/11. It's Stork Theory!

Let's pretend, just for grins, that governments might shave/misreport unemployment stats to make the numbers look better, thereby making themselves look better. Let's pretend hypothetically, that governments might mislead as to circumstance of an Ambassador's murder to downplay less palatable explanations.

Given the above (granted they are total fantasies), might it be possible that those governments like the UK would under report costs, and over report results?

Might it also be possible for a very bright competent lawyer-type to understand our own government, seeking control and power, might exaggerate costs of private care here?

You'll hear for example healthcare accounts for 1/6th of our economy (understanding that number represents everything from actual patient care costs, to Walgreen's stock performance, to Medtronic export profits, to bandaid sales, to medical construction company )profits, etc).

Try this.
Check the % of a $15T GDP that $8000/capita equals. Let's make it easy. $8000/capita equals 1/6th of US GDP. That would rate a >$32K/yr healthcare insurance cost per year

Does your family's HC Policy cost >$32K/yr?
Insurance companies are in the game to make money. So unless the avg healthcare policy for a family of four in this country is $32,000/year ($8000/person X 4), the reported $8000/capita number is pure rubbish.

Back to UK under-reporting.
The UKs #'s basically represent NHS costs alone. Yet the NHS provides nowhere near 100% of UK care. 20% of UK care is administered outside of the NHS in private settings. So while the US reports all remotely health related costs as if they are patient care related, the UK reports only ~80% of patient care related costs.


. . . . . . . now can we talk about comparative med mal costs?










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VOR
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Elcid96


When you learn the difference between "effect" and "affect", we'll talk.

Yes. That was a cheap shot.






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Lsut81
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When you learn the difference between "effect" and "affect", we'll talk.








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VOR
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Nothing to do with grammar. It has to do with proper usage and the correct word.





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asurob1
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Im looking forward to 2014. And much like Romney's predicted victory on this very board. Just how quiet things actually will be.







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VOR
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Im looking forward to 2014. And much like Romney's predicted victory on this very board. Just how quiet things actually will be.


Yep. But I'm sure there'll be something else to induce hysteria.






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Lsut81
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Nothing to do with grammar. It has to do with proper usage and the correct word.



Actually, that is grammar too, but carry on....






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Elcid96
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Keep taking them its all you got I m on my phone!!! So I guess you have given up in pointing out how our republic runs things with a cuts containment!!! Thanks for proving my point in a very Effective way!!!

It's ok though I find it funnier that you think our country is a democracy when it is a Republic!

But by all means you can call the grammar police I will call the political police!!

So when you learn the difference between a democracy and a republic I guess we will talk! May be then you can answer my questions instead of avoiding them!! Chow



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VOR
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It's ok though I find it funnier that you think our country is a democracy when it is a Republic!


It is a democratic republic. In the general sense, it is a democracy.

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Chow


Too easy.






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Elcid96
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Haha nice try hack!!! Just own it!!

But thanks for playing!

Come back when you got answers instead of deflections!!




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Jbird
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Haha nice try hack!!!


Naw let him make a shitty remark about grammer and ignore the substance, it's what they do. Pulling a slightly more articulate Rex or DA is no way to go through life Russ.






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Rex
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It's "grammar".






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