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Just saw it. Great movie. Should be more aptly named "The Thirteenth Amendment" for those interested.

Really demonstrates the challenges President Lincoln faced and his own personal/political demons.






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But, the South started it - not Lincoln.





read my link I posted earlier. It contains two links within that link.






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Really demonstrates the challenges President Lincoln faced and his own personal/political demons.


What did he feel guilty for causing the death of a half million people?






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What did he feel guilty for causing the death of a half million people?


Watch the movie.






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bmy
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Sounds like an awesome historical fiction movie





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Why all the hate and bitterness towards one of our greatest presidents?





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“I hear you have abolitionists here. We have a few in Illinois, but we shot one the other day.”

“I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary”.

- Abe






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Lincoln loved and admired the union and the constitution, but he realized that, in order to preserve it, the constitution must be circumvented in the most pressing of times.





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Lincoln loved and admired the union and the constitution, but he realized that, in order to preserve it, the constitution must be circumvented in the most pressing of times.
= Tyranny.






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HailHailtoMichigan!
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Tyranny
Nope, leadership.






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leadership.
Does this include violating Constitutional law at least 10 times?






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You didn't really expect him to grant suffrage, integrate schools, and end discrimination in 1866 did you? Maybe affirmative action in 1867? Appoint some black judges in 1868? The guy was ahead of his time but come on.... Maybe you would like to criticize Henry Ford for not inventing a traction control system for the Model T?



boom. roasted






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TenTex


Holy frick, never would have expected to see this on the SECr. I'm actually shocked right now. I'm just going to assume your family moved south after the war to take advantage of the cheap land, you're most definitely northern blood.

And by your post, I'm assuming you enjoyed it so much because you're a republican and saw the parallels to what is going on within the party and politics today.. I say to you sir, that you're a complete idiot. Today's republican party isn't even a shadow of that one, it's just the same name, absolutely nothing else is similar.

If you really are a true southerner, I pity the men that fought and may have died who shared your family name to have such a fool carry on their blood.

This movie is an historically inaccurate, slanted piece of propaganda dressed up brilliantly with great actors and imagery.



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This movie is an historically inaccurate, slanted piece of propaganda dressed up brilliantly with great actors and imagery.


I hope you won't mind me amending your critique, MG. You can bet that the Hollywood Left has an ulterior ideological motive in producing this "Lincoln" propaganda apologetic, in this particular time. It sets the table for a heroic Obama overeach (what else is new) and a justification for such as being *Lincolnesque*.

Regardless, both he and his Hollywood dreamers are naive and borderline stupid if they think another Civil War type overreach like the Lincoln model could even remotely resemble that of the first one. Much less end in victory for the would be tyrants; this time who are NOTHING like Lincoln...but are outright Constitutional-hating Socialists intent on "fundamentally changing this nation". Lincoln had no desire or intent to go the egalaitarian route; obvious by his writing. He'd be considered a staunch racist in today's world.

So, Speilberg and Obama can think and do what they will. But if they ever start kickin doors in to advance their version of 'social justice, and 'spread the wealth around'...well, the one paralell that they may duplicate from the first Civil War...will be that half-million dead. But it will be in the population centers of thier electoral base...who brought this crap down on all of us.

Happy Thanksgiving!






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The North set no such date. Lincoln always intended to use Fort Sumter to ignite a conflict. You can say what you want about that but Lincoln needed a war to bring the South back into the Union. He informed the governor of South Carolina of his intentions to resupply the fort and this is what led to the bombardment.



Are you arguing that Lincoln essentially engineered the onset of the Civil War via Sumter? Just curious. I've tried to goad several of my hagiographic professors into making this very argument, and they refuse each time. McPherson himself walks a fine line with this one.

The reality of the issue is that the people love simplicity. The war, and by extension Lincoln, is cast in a black and white good guy vs. bad guy type frame out of sheer convenience. Popular history for you, folks. The average American is too stupid and/or apathetic to understand the nuance of the Civil War.



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This movie is an historically inaccurate, slanted piece of propaganda dressed up brilliantly with great actors and imagery.



Just returned from seeing the movie and I enjoyed it. I'd be interested in hearing what egregious historical inaccuracies it contained.

BTW, are you sad that the South surrendered?






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read my link I posted earlier. It contains two links within that link.


South Carolina started the war by demanding the surrender of a U.S. military fort and firing the first shots.

Lincoln, btw, was not the first president to stand up to South Carolina on the issue of secession.






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mograyback
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Just returned from seeing the movie and I enjoyed it. I'd be interested in hearing what egregious historical inaccuracies it contained.


Regardless of all the historically inaccurate things in the movie..

The thing that bothers me most is the continued misrepresentation of slavery. We have a tool like a major movie to bring the truth to light, and once again the truth does not come out.

I watched Gone With The Wind last night (was on TCM, have seen it a few times before and read the book). It's amazing because you see the truth. Things got worse for the slave class after the war. We started using prisoners for slave labor and treated them terrible, and blacks were largely treated worse than before the war. Everything got worse. Most slave owners had great relationships with their slaves. There are so many misconceptions about slavery, for one, most people don't realize what small percentage of southerners owned slaves. No one knows that one of the largest plantations in the South was owned by a black man. It's all just frustrating the way our perception of history is totally skewed. Slavery would have phased out just like it did in other countries, I'm not advocating slavery, I'm advocating the truth.

Lincoln didn't free slaves out of a moral principle, he did it to change the financial landscape. He even wanted them all shipped out of here after the war... sent to the jungles in South America instead of returning them to Africa. The truth rarely get's told, and a major Hollywood production is the last place you'll find it.



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