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joshnorris14 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:16 pm to Rex)
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The economic results in Russia and China were positive for the times
If starving is considered prosperous I suppose.
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HempHead 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:18 pm to joshnorris14)
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I applaud your attempt to connect anti-Marxists with THE anti-Marxist.
An "anarcho-primitivist/eco-anarchist" friend of mine recently asked me what/who had been the biggest influence on my political outlook.
He has now checked out the only copy of Man, Economy and State at his university library. Pretty sure he got the edition with Power and Market.
Let's see if his head explodes.
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Rex 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:19 pm to joshnorris14)
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If starving is considered prosperous I suppose.
People starved under the czars.
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joshnorris14
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:19 pm to HempHead)
You gave him a hit of Malawi Gold to start off with.
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joshnorris14
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:20 pm to Rex)
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People starved under the czars.
At a decreased rate.
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HempHead
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:20 pm to Rex)
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People starved under the czars.
Yet, no free market society has ever experienced mass starvation.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:22 pm to joshnorris14)
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If starving is considered prosperous I suppose.
You can't be much of a fan of individual rights and communism. Sounds pretty evil to me.
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joshnorris14
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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You can't be much of a fan of individual rights and communism.
I don't quite follow.
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HempHead
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:24 pm to joshnorris14)
It is a contradiction to be a supporter of individual rights and communism. Pretty sure that's Roger's point.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:35 pm to HempHead)
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It is a contradiction to be a supporter of individual rights and communism. Pretty sure that's Roger's point.
That's exactly the point. The universal capitalist converts capital to community property. It's contradictory to liberty. Communism goes against mans nature and we will never be classless or stateless.
This post was edited on 11/21 at 10:40 pm
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:49 pm to Rex)
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I think it's quite obvious that communism was branded as evil by rich capitalists who had a lot to lose.
"Rich capitalist" was anyone who owned private property, rex.
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gthog61 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
This is a stupid question. There are no benevolent dictators.
It's funny how libs tout personal freedom and shite but if they carried their statist bull shite philosophy to its logical conclusion the central government would restrict all sorts of behaviors because the people controlling it ALWAYS think they are smarter than everybody else AND worse want the power to stick it to everybody else.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:22 pm to gthog61)
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It's funny how libs tout personal freedom and shite but if they carried their statist bull shite philosophy to its logical conclusion the central government would restrict all sorts of behaviors
This is a valid and important point. The liberal philosophy of "federal investment in the populace", namely in healthcare, education, housing etc, opens the door for restriction of liberty. Once the government invests in you, it can control you in the name of "saving money". We see this today with the New York soda ban. Bloomberg came up with this law because he said it would save the city money on healthcare in the future.
Hayek observed this as well. From The Road to Serfdom : socialism puts governments in a position where to support themselves they are obliged to be oppressive and tyrannical.
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mooseknuckle
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:01 am to PenguinNinja)
Everything is destined to fail even democracy/republic whatever you want to call it. Why? Because its controlled by men. Even if its a good idea, man will find a way to frick it up. Either by changing it into something it wasn't intended to be or replacing it with something that doesn't work. Every nation throughout history has failed. This one is no different.
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Blue Velvet 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:23 am to BTHog)
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same as anything else. Human greed.
Don't be obtuse.
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badlands
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:28 am to Rex)
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Rex
It is dying and china and other places. Why are we are trying pick up the torch?
And, do you deny the type of leaders found in communism are a bit on the aggressive side on imposing their will on their people?
This post was edited on 11/22 at 10:31 am
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badlands
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:33 am to joshnorris14)
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The economic results in Russia and China were positive for the times
Link? Sure it was, Just ask Stalin or Mao and the people in the government press that worked under them.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:36 am to Rex)
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The economic results in Russia and China were positive for the times
there are like 50M souls who disagree with you
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:37 am to Rex)
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People starved under the czars.
rule under the czars wasn't exactly an era of free trade, either. if we're comparing communism to societies of free trade, it's not logical to bring up another authoritarian state
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Antonio Moss
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:38 am to badlands)
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The economic results in Russia and China were positive for the times
For the oligarchies that controlled the government. For the millions who starved supporting the oligarchies, it was quite shitty.
The evil inherent in communism is the lack of property rights which causes an extreme concentration of wealth for government leaders.
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