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wavebreaker
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


That's why we have a Constitution of negative liberties (Obama saw this as a fault).

Rights belong to the people and among these people governments are created.

Communism reverses this. Government has the power. That means a totalitarian regime and history shows that leads to disaster.






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OLDBEACHCOMBER
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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Where has this existed?


It can never exist. Rulers are always going to place themselves higher than the population and bestow onto themselve more. Busting the basic rule of equality.






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TigerinATL
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


Humans are the problem with communism. Competition usually brings out the best in people where unearned power/rewards tends to bring out the worst. Capitalism isn't a perfect system, its just the system that leads to the most competition which keeps our worst instincts more in check.






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Blue Velvet
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Member since Nov 2009
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


I don't think you're insinuating that I'm a Randian; but just for the record, I am not.

I think my issue is your use of the term "real world", as if all individuals live the same reality. It's why I frequently must ask posters define terms such as "the greater good." It's often an attempt to encompass others' beliefs under your worldview's umbrella.
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Life is compromise

I agree and that's why I find it extremely improbable for a pure theory to arise in practice. However, stranger things have happened and disastrous upheaval certainly can too.
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They cannot be reasoned with
I find no reason within those who advocate and/or support our current political climate.
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I have no patience with fanatics or true believers of any stripe.
How does one lack beliefs?






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Hugo Stiglitz
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


Communism is the exploitation of man by man, capitalism is the opposite.





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LSU Patrick
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


It's not a question of whether or not it is evil. It's that it sucks for everybody but the most elite.





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HempHead
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


Communism, collectivism, socialism, etc., are completely anathema to a proper understanding of how humans act.

A truly communist system, in which a 'commune' is an autarky, there is absolutely NO way to perform economic calculation. A truly realized Marxist vision results in mass poverty, hunger, and death. Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge is probably the closest real-world example we have seen.






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germandawg
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


Communism is fundamentally "evil" for the same reason that unfettered capitalism is...because it is an extreme without any room for a differing point of view. The very worst examples of communism in the history of mankind are on par with the very worst examples of unfettered capitalism. Both systems rely on the exploitation of the weak by the strong.


What is not evil is communism such as we have had in the United States from day one, and I call it communism because that is what the majority of you morons who are scared out of your wits over socialism really mean. This form of communism consists of things the collective does because it is not practical to do it individually. National defense, for instance, is a socialist undertaking, as are roads and public education. The fact that man is a social animal means that he is stuck with a collective because it is in his DNA and those of you who beleive in the myth of the individual who does not need anyone else to survive are simply lying to yourselves or insane.






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HempHead
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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for the same reason that unfettered capitalism is...because it is an extreme without any room for a differing point of view.


In what way does unfettered capitalism not allow a differing point of view?

There is nothing to stop a voluntary association of communists or socialists in a truly free market/society.

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The fact that man is a social animal means that he is stuck with a collective because it is in his DNA and those of you who beleive in the myth of the individual who does not need anyone else to survive are simply lying to yourselves or insane.




I do not oppose collectives or social structures...so long as they are voluntary.

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The very worst examples of communism in the history of mankind are on par with the very worst examples of unfettered capitalism.




What free-market society has ever experienced anything on par seen in Cambodia, Ukraine, or Maoist China?



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BTHog
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?



same as anything else. Human greed.

no matter how you set the system up, Human nature is such that some people are going to want to steal from others.

Put 10 people together and give them one thousand dollars each and lock them in a building and tell them that after a week they are free to leave with their thousand dollars, and I guarantee you at least 3 of those 10 people will try to steal money from the other seven.







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Porky
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


It plays against the basic human desire to own stuff.





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Edearl Watson
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


How about several instances whereby the Government erects a wall or barrier around a city or country and shoots the citizens if they try and escape?





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HempHead
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


If any of you commie haters want to examine absolutely scorching critiques of Marxism, you need look no further than Murray Rothbard.

Historical Materialism

The Marxian Strategy

Marx as Utopian

Marx and Left Revolutionary Hegelianism

Marx and Alienation

Marx's Path to Communsim

The Dialectic of Destruction

Raw Communism






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HailHailtoMichigan!
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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The very worst examples of communism in the history of mankind are on par with the very worst examples of unfettered capitalism.






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mytigger
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


"evil" in it's truest form in that the government takes the place of God. The practice of religion, faith, church et al is all illegal because it allows the masses to place God above the government (leaders)... and the government must ALWAYS come first.

Do some research on what the Soviet Union did to priests, reverends, etc. during the Cold War. Evil is a pretty good description of what occurred.






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Gladius Veritas
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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Killing tens of millions for political power should be a good starting point.


That doesn't make Communism evil







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Rex
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?

I think it's quite obvious that communism was branded as evil by rich capitalists who had a lot to lose.






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HempHead
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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I think it's quite obvious that communism was branded as evil by rich capitalists who had a lot to lose.


Quite obvious, yes.

How could they ignore the fantastic results?






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joshnorris14
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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If any of you commie haters want to examine absolutely scorching critiques of Marxism, you need look no further than Murray Rothbard.


I applaud your attempt to connect anti-Marxists with THE anti-Marxist.






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Rex
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re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?


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How could they ignore the fantastic results?

The economic results in Russia and China were positive for the times. Communism in Russia eventually outlived its usefulness and is dying in China.









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