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Words fail me on how shocked I am at this very unexpected turn of events.





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sure. But there are other regulations like that.

I may not approve of breeding but I have to give time off for having kids.

I may prefer to avoid hiring black people, but I can't discriminate against them.

I might not want to serve mexicans, but I will surely get in trouble if I don't

I may want to consume peyote as a part of a religious ceremony, I would get arrested if I did.

All of these could and have been framed as part of a religion. I get where you are coming from, but I don't think this burden is much more burdensome than we already have.
There it is. Excessive government as justification for more government. Guess how we have this bloated behemoth we kindly refer to as "government".






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I'm just calling a spade a spade... If you are gonna invoke religion then you should follow what your religion teaches to a T.


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I'm not religious at all, but isn't the central tenant of christianity that you fail to live up to gods expectations?


Hobby Lobby is a good organization. It is closed on Sundays, which I think shows it already puts its money where its mouth is.

And the fallout of Nov, 2012 continues. And the Left will get what its been angling for all these years. Single Payer system. That's what this has been all about, all along.



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I suppose that this judge, much like Obama and the dems don't care that the first amendment says this:

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


This clearly violates the second part as it prohibits the free exercise of faith by Hobby Lobby. The constitution does not say church, but states religion. Many people are defined by their faith and telling them they must go against their conscience is a violation of the first amendment.






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Dumb question... But can you please explain?




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Hobby Lobby is self-insured and they aren't as much against contraception as they are against abortifacients (morning after pill) that they must provide. The judge issued a $1.3 million dollar fine per day that Hobby Lobby ignores the law and refuses to abide by the abortifacient provision.

frick that judge.



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The judge issued a $1.8 million dollar fine per day that Hobby Lobby ignores the law and refuses to abide by the abortifacient provision.


Honest question, how can he do this? I thought the IRS was hiring 16k agents in order to enforce Obamacare

I figured that Hobby Lobby would just have to pay the 2k per employee if they didn't follow the law, how can a judge come in and make up a new penalty?






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So if they have a lot of Jehovahs Witnesses and they say we don't blood transfusions that's Ok then? If they have Sciencetologists and say get rid of the Pharmacy plan or psychiatric services same thing (I might be mixing up religions here).





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I figured that Hobby Lobby would just have to pay the 2k per employee if they didn't follow the law, how can a judge come in and make up a new penalty?


Because the judge thinks he's a dictator. This is ridiculous and a clear violation of the first amendment. Pro-choice means they get to make the choice and everyone else must abide by their ruling, even if it goes against your conscience.






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So if they have a lot of Jehovahs Witnesses and they say we don't blood transfusions that's Ok then? If they have Sciencetologists and say get rid of the Pharmacy plan or psychiatric services same thing (I might be mixing up religions here).



Huh? Wtf are you trying to ask?


HobbyLobby's owners claim to be heavily religious and its against their religion to take BC, so they feel that they shouldn't be forced to provide it. It is against THEIR beliefs to provide it. They don't have a choice, whereas an employee has a choice whether to accept a treatment under their healthcare plan or take a another job that doesn't provide what they are dissatisfied with.






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So if they have a lot of Jehovahs Witnesses and they say we don't blood transfusions that's Ok then? If they have Sciencetologists and say get rid of the Pharmacy plan or psychiatric services same thing (I might be mixing up religions here).


Yes, abortifacients are the same thing as blood transfusions.











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JEAUXBLEAUX
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1) What is a Hobby Lobby?

2) If the owners are against Blood transfusions, ban it. Same thing if they are against mental Health treatment.

3) When does it stop?

4) If I am against addiction therapy (If that is the right phrase) can I choose to ban it too?






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It's only over the morning after pill, which is an abortifacient, terminating a pregnancy, called abortion. For some of us, abortion is evil and we do not want to pay for it. This isn't "healthcare" but actual ending of a new life.

Your examples are not the same as abortion, which the morning after pill is.
Now, when they order the gas showers and you don't want people to pay for those, just rememeber you asked "When does it stop?"






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Thank you for the concentration camp reference and always feeling the need to bring that up in any discussion (You are better than that). I don't know that word abort... I thought they wanted to ban birth control totally. a morning after pill, I don't know about that one.

Will they ban Viagara too? Equal men and women treatment?






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This clearly violates the second part as it prohibits the free exercise of faith by Hobby Lobby.

What nonsense.






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You should be forced to do as they did in Logan's Run.





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1) What is a Hobby Lobby?

A pretty cool store, actually. I forgive them their religiosity.






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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are they National? I will google just curious

Happy Thanksgiving LA!






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You need to inform yourself better and I wouldn't make such a reference. Remember, my dad freed a concentration camp.
It's the abortifacient part of the bill that they are against. If you read the links, such as the one I'm providing here, you will see this.
Viagra is for a health condition (erectile dysfunction). Getting pregnant isn't due to a health condition but from having sex and being healthy.


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The company does not object to providing coverage that includes birth control pills, but refuses to provide or pay for two specific abortion-inducing drugs such as the so-called "morning after" pill, because Green's "most deeply held religious belief" is that life beginning at conception, the family said in a statement released through its attorneys.


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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/20/growing-boycott-against-retail-chain-hobby-lobby-after-lawsuit-against-health/#ixzz2Cxl6tKcZ






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Hobby Lobby is a corporation... i.e. a public accommodation. They should be forced to follow the law regardless of their religion.





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