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mike4lsu
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Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


The man had not coached in college football since 1992. And then he was an assistant coach at Pitt.

The Vols are in a tough spot. They play Alabama and Florida every year. They are talent starved state.

Philip Fulmer used to win at a time when he could recruit nationally. Towards the end, his recruiting dried up. Mark Ritch shut down Georgia, Saban shut down Louisiana.

Only someone who can recruit nationally and loves to recruit can win there. Jon Gruden, with next to no recruiting experience, will have a hard time.

College football is about recruiting, developing, mentoring and disciplining. Throw in trick plays, gimmicky offenses etc.

Pro-Football is about practice and execution. Its a totally different game.

That's why Nick Saban ( who is by the far the best college coach every ) was walking disaster in the NFL. And thats why Charlie Weiss with three super bowl rings, is mediocre college coach.

Gruden talk makes me scratch my head.







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cjared036
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


Tennessee needs to recruit nationally. Jon Gruden is one of the most well known football coaches in the country, regardless of his college experience.

He can get an invite to almost any football recruits home, especially kids on the offensive side fo the ball.

When Saban was hired the exposure Alabama eceived from the media (both good and bad) fueled the monster that Alabama has become. Jon Gruden can have the same effect on Tennessee - you can gurantee that ESPN will be there almost year round.

THis is not that complicated.






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tuptiger
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


Coaches who are successful in the NFL are usually great coaches. They are tireless workers and many are protégés of legendary head coaches. On a weekly basis, they scheme against the best coaches in the world. In college, Gruden would mainly scheme against crappy coaches.

Recruiting is not rocket science. High school kids want top play in the NFL. Gruden would instantly have more credibility in that department than any coach in the country. He's also charismatic, and kids will recognize his name.

He would be a home run hire for anyone.






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j1897
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Member since Nov 2011
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


I said the same thing about Arkansas. He might be a great hire, but the odds are no better than getting some hotshot from DII. It's a complete hail mary.

Arkansas fans are stupid through, what is TNs excuse.






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Crompdaddy8
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


myth that Tennessee can't recruit is totally overblown.

Georgia is top 3~top4 talent rich state in the nation and UGA is the flagship school there right? UGA always had top recruiting classes and UT stood its ground head-to-head against UGA in recruiting

rivals.com last 10 years UGA vs UT

2002 UT 5 5*, 16 4*
2002 UGA 1 5*, 18 4*

2003 UT 1 5*, 7 4*
2003 UGA 2 5*, 8 4*

2004 UT 2 5*, 8 4*
2004 UGA 1 5*, 11 4*

2005 UT 1 5*, 16 4*
2005 UGA 0 5*, 11 4*

2006 UT 1 5*, 4 4*
2006 UGA 2 5*, 14 4*

2007 UT 5 5*, 11 4*
2007 UGA 0 5*, 12 4*

2008 UT 0 5*, 4 4*
2008 UGA 2 5*, 13 4*

2009 UT 2 5*, 9 4*
2009 UGA 1 5*, 14 4*

2010 UT 1 5*, 12 4*
2010 UGA 0 5*, 9 4*

2011 UT 0 5*, 12 4*
2011 UGA 2 5*, 12 4*

2012 UT 0 5*, 10 4*
2012 UGA 2 5*, 6 4*



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blacknblu
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


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myth that Tennessee can't recruit is totally overblown.

I completely agree - you guys just need a coach to bring out the talent in the recruits.






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Interception
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


Tennessee was recruiting kids out of every state during Fulmers hay day. Gruden would easily surpass those glory days in recruiting. Tennessee is a great place to go to college and play football. They just really need a great hire.





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DaleDenton
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Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee



Because he would be a recruiting machine once he sat down in the living rooms of a young man's home and showed him the Super Bowl ring he won with Dungy's team when they were 5-7 years old.

Then he would have every QB recruit in the nation lined up at UT's door once he explained his record of how he took 40 year old men and used them as starting NFL QBs as he was never able to develop one while in the NFL.

Then he will tell Haslam and UT fans how the Bucs traded draft pics and cash to Oakland to get him and he is like the only coach that a team has ever done that for.

It really isn't that hard to figure out.






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volfan30
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


2/10





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Woopigsooie20
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


Duh. Because he is on TV.





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VAvolfan
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


His exposure on MNF and Super Bowl ring would make him a recruiting mogul.





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DaleDenton
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His exposure on MNF and Super Bowl ring would make him a recruiting mogul.



Of course.

Better hope Kentucky doesn't hire Mike Tirico, Tennessee may never beat them again.






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Camp Randall
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


He's cute duh





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Matisyeezy
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


I don't feel like you're the most intelligent individual, or at least you don't observe. While Saban certainly succeeds in the recruiting department, year in and year out what makes his teams elite is their execution on Saturday, an execution of their practice.

While I'll agree that college and professional football are different, to say that a person who is geared towards execution can't be successful is absurd. Surround that coach with a staff who are excellent recruiters and you have a recipe for success.






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kywildcatfanone
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


I'm not convinced that Gruden would translate well to the college game, but if UT wants to hire him and pay him a fortune for the experiment, I'm OK with it..





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SWCBonfire
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


These sound like a lot of the arguments used to justify Mike Sherman's hiring. Not saying that Gruden isn't cooler to the recruits, just the same arguments.

I don't understand why I haven't heard Mike Gundy's name thrown around more. He would be perfect for Tennessee as I don't even think he has a ballboy on his team from within 300mi of campus. Okie lite has one overbearing donor and an AD he can't get along with. It is nowhere in the same league as Tennessee, and not any amount of T Boone money can make it that way.






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Indiana Tiger
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


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I don't feel like you're the most intelligent individual, or at least you don't observe. While Saban certainly succeeds in the recruiting department, year in and year out what makes his teams elite is their execution on Saturday, an execution of their practice.

While I'll agree that college and professional football are different, to say that a person who is geared towards execution can't be successful is absurd. Surround that coach with a staff who are excellent recruiters and you have a recipe for success.

The problem with a Gruden, just like many LSU fans' fascination with Jack Del Rio, is that he is high risk. Both have a very high ceilings, but both also have very low floors.

We know they can coach, but will they realize how the limited practice times will constrain what they can accomplish; will it frustrate them. Yes they can hire great recruiters, but your head coach has to be the closer. The raw material is there to be great, but will they like and want to do it? What about relationships with boosters and high school coaches? Will there egos permit them to do what's required and necessary? With their limited and dated college experience, they probably don't have a clue themselves as to how they will react.

The point isn't that they can't or won't be very successful in college; it's that they could also do very bad and it could go either way. It's human nature to overstate the upside and underestimate the downside. It's a recipe for failure.






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Johnny B Goode
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re: Explain why Gruden is a hot commodity? Why is he right for Tennessee


I agree. Not sure why folks say UT cant recruit. For as long as I remember UT has always brought good talent to Knox. The state may not be on par with GA, Fla, LA, Ala, etc..but that has never hindered UT. You throw in Gruden and the exposure he will bring, UT recruiting will go through the roof. They should then be able to lock down the state of TN and pillage GA, then work from there. It will be interesting to follow this coaching search with you knob slobbin Vols and I do think Gruden or not, Hart and the money guys will get it right this time. I hope yall do get Gruden, would be a good thing for UT, TSIO, and the SEC as a whole





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SlowFlowPro
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Then he will tell Haslam and UT fans how the Bucs traded draft pics and cash to Oakland to get him and he is like the only coach that a team has ever done that for.

herm edwards, son

i think Bill B, too



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