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JohnnyKilroy 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 12:35 am to RogerTheShrubber)
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Government has caused more deaths than any other organization. I want the weakest possible government.
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TN Bhoy 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 12:46 am to ChemE in the OP)
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56 million deaths attributed to Christianity approx.
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9,000,000 were burned for witchcraft.
Damn, what calculator was this guy using? There might, might, have been 500,000 witch trials total, and that's probably off by 300,000.
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2,000,000 of Saxons and Scandinavians lost their lives in opposing the introduction of the blessings of Christianity.
 Seriously, what calculator was this guy using?
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5,000,000 perished during the eight Crusades.
This guy hates sources. And working calculators.
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7,000,000 during the Saracen slaughters in Spain.
Da frick? This guy's not even getting basic terms right.
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1,000,000 during the Carthaginian struggle.
I'm not even sure what this guy's going on about now. The Vandal "persecutions"?
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1,000,000 perished during the early Arian schism.
This guy is seriously nuts.
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30,000,000 Mexicans and Peruvians were slaughtered ere they could be convinced of the beauties(?) of the Christian creed.
Yep, nuts.
I'm going to post this table in the Department. See what happens.
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Revelator
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 5:08 am to PenguinNinja)
Communist regimes always murder a large portion of their populace if you consider murdering your own people bad?
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wavebreaker 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 7:42 am to HailHailtoMichigan!)
Hope someone poInted out the mass murders it led directly to. Communists mudered more than HITLER.
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badlands 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:33 am to wavebreaker)
More so than other systems, it forces people to give money toward a cause they may have no concern over. That considered, the money or property that they could use to improve the lives of themselves and family is taken from them, hence a lower standard of living is forced on them for the supposed greater good. And the greater good doesn't really exist under this system. I have seen several people on here comment that it isn't the system, but the leaders. But it is worthy of note that many of the leaders who use this system have all but ruined their country and resort to brain washing, *Mao and Castro, or mass killings, Stalin and Pot, to get rid of anyone who sees the wrongs of communism. How is it so hard for people to understand that they care more about themselves than the government, any government, ever will? While free enterprise has its issues at least you have a chance to go after what you want. Communism is horrible. People do not have equal ability or ambition. It doesn't work, which is why so many horrible leaders are attached to it.
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ChoupiqueSacalait
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:01 am to PenguinNinja)
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What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?
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My OP was referring to communism in theory, not in practice a la USSR.
Nothing.
But as others have already alluded to, putting the theory into practice opens all kinds of avenues for the evil that individuals are capable of to manifest. But even then evil is in the eye of the beholder.
To the peasant farmer in a heretofor free society, being lined up in front of a hastily bulldozed ditch, machine-gunned in the back, and receiving the coup-de-gras by way of a pistol shot to the base of the skull...he and his family may think that something evil is being perpetrated upon him. After all, the produce quotas that he was under had resulted in his not being able to provide enough food for his own family; he was only skimming off a little of what he was growing to feed them.
To the communist party produce manager overseeing the production in this town, the peasant farmer that has been caught stealing the people's property to selfishly hoard for himself is a clear and present threat and is guilty of crimes against the state. Executing him in a public display A) eliminates the undesirable, B) serves as an example to those who might harbor similar intentions, and C) shows high officials that this particular produce manager is a credit to the party and may be a candidate for advancement.
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Newbomb Turk 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:07 am to PenguinNinja)
It completely ignores basic common sense and fundamental human behavior.
The Dims have proved this -- the leaches in our society will elect a completely inept and incompetent f*cking MORON to be the leader of the free world as long as he promises them all FREE sh!t and makes it so that they don't have to get up off their lazy f*cking asses and earn it themselves.
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badlands
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:12 am to ChoupiqueSacalait)
it kills self-motivation, self-accountability, and initiative. Without those things, what is the point? Takes away the reason to live. Deprives people of living their lives for themselves and if they so choose, put themselves in a position where they can choose to help others. I think that is enough to call it evil.
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wavebreaker
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:14 am to JohnnyKilroy)
149,000,000 dead under communism.
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Don't people learn anything in school? How can students admire and wear t-shirts supporting mass murdering regimes?
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BugAC
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:18 am to badlands)
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put themselves in a position where they can choose to help others.
I'd argue that communism eliminates the freedom to choose to help others. In a communist utopia, all are equal, and all have the same amount of material goods. In a communist utopia, charity is no longer needed because there is no one lower than another. Except those that govern communism. True communism could never, ever, ever, ever exist, if the point of it, is that everyone is 100% equal across the board. Therefore, their would be no head of government, no one person in control of another. Also there would be no such thing as success or failure. It's basically a world with no wins or losses, just everyone existing. Communism takes away competition, and without competition their is no success.
These are just a few faults of communism.
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Newbomb Turk
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:30 am to badlands)
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kills self-motivation, self-accountability, and initiative. Without those things, what is the point?
Hmmm, now what or who does that statement remind me of ....
Hmmm .... who could it be ....
I wonder ....
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ChoupiqueSacalait
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:31 am to BugAC)
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there is no one lower than another. Except those that govern communism.
And the perks that come with your ranking in the party are substantial, compared to the average prole, and are greater the higher up you go. Better and more plentiful food, better housing, better education. People can be capable of a lot of evil to attain the good life. Falsely inform on friends or neighbors, for example.
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Tchefuncte Tiger
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:36 am to PenguinNinja)
The fact that millions of people were murdered (er...purged) in the name of "equality" is generally not a good thing. Neither is starving to death.
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Tchefuncte Tiger
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:37 am to wavebreaker)
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Don't people learn anything in school? How can students admire and wear t-shirts supporting mass murdering regimes?
Yes. They're now learning "communism - good, America - bad."
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wavebreaker
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:39 am to Tchefuncte Tiger)
Exactly.
Didn't an Obama official at a graduation quote from Chairman Mao's Little Red Book? Zero press reaction. Yet Communist China murdered more people than Nazi Germany.
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TrueTiger
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:37 am to RogerTheShrubber)
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Government has caused more deaths than any other organization. I want the weakest possible government.
This. Powerful governments of any stripe are not to be trusted.
Recall the little speech of the Colonel Ludlow character in Legends of the Fall:
Colonel Ludlow: Indians! Indians were the issue in those days. I can assure you, gentlemen, there is nothing quite so grotesque as the meeting of a child with the a bullet; or an entire village slaughtered while sleeping. That was the Government's resolution of that particular issue and I have seen nothing in its behavior since then that would persuade me that it has gained either in wisdom, common sense, or humanity.
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Baloo
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:02 am to Duke)
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It doesn't work.
No purely abstract political theory works. Only an amalgamation based upon contact with the real world works. Ideological purity is pretty much always a bad idea, even if its in service to something that is fundamentally a good idea (not saying communism is a good idea, but no pure theory works in the real world).
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Blue Velvet 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:10 am to Baloo)
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but no pure theory works in the real world).
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No purely abstract political theory works.
Why not? Genuinely curious.
One could argue that many theories have not been implemented to their full extent, or in their pure/unadulterated form, to prove or disprove their guaranteed failure or success.
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Baloo
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:16 am to Blue Velvet)
No theory can EVER be implemented in its pure form. The vagaries of the world will always prevent it. I know Randians currently argue that their theory hasn't been truly implemented so it hasn't been proven not to work. And all I hear is communists saying the same thing. Of course your idea wasn't implemented in its pure form. It's impossible because first you'd have to, well, destroy all history and institutions which currently exists. Which isn't possible and if it was, it would be a disastrous upheaval.
Life is compromise. I have no patience with fanatics or true believers of any stripe. They cannot be reasoned with, so I don't even try.
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KeyserSoze999
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 11:25 am to PenguinNinja)
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What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?
what is fundamentally evil is that there is a presumption that mankind is not evil
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