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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:10 pm to TN Bhoy)
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it removes one of our most basic freedoms: our freedom to own property and do with it what we wish
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Communism assumes that humans are perfect/can be perfected. And that is not true and will never happen because it's unnatural because humans are flawed and will always be flawed.
These are correct answers. Just added to TN Bhoy's post. 
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ChemE in the OP 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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You're not under the impression that communism involves sharing and generosity, right?
No, I was disagreeing with his point that humans are genetically selfish. Totally false based on our genetic triggers which encourage cooperation.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:11 pm to ChemE in the OP)
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Christianity has resulted in more deaths than communism throughout history.
Christianity doesn't kill people, people who claim to be Christian kill people.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:11 pm to Patrick O Rly)
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"evil" is a subjective term which can't be used to assert anything of intellectual value.
I suppose there are some intellectuals with malignant minds that might not find concepts like genocide, or child rape objectively evil.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Christianity doesn't kill people, people who claim to be Christian kill people.
And as I said before, it isn't the idea, it's the actions of the people.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:19 pm to Scruffy)
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it's the actions of the people.
The millions that starved because of Communism's inability to provide shite disagree with you. Communism, as a system, can be blamed.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:23 pm to Scruffy)
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And as I said before, it isn't the idea, it's the actions of the people.
Communism didn't kill millions in Cambodia, it was just Pol Pot, Communism didn't kill millions throughout Europe and Asia it was Stalin. China didn't lose millions to Communism it was Mao.
politcal movements aren't actions they are just harmless thoughts
I suspect most of the surviving captive populations and inmates of the gulag as well as surviving families of the terror or hunger campaigns would tell you to frick off.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:23 pm to ChemE in the OP)
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Christianity has resulted in more deaths than communism throughout history.
No. There wasn't has many people even on Earth prior to the industrial revolution.
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TN Bhoy
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:24 pm to ChemE in the OP)
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Christianity has resulted in more deaths than communism throughout history.
Incorrect
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:26 pm to TN Bhoy)
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Christianity has resulted in more deaths than communism throughout history. Incorrect
I was kinda curious whose arse this little stat came out of.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:31 pm to CC)
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I was kinda curious whose arse this little stat came out of.
Check out quotes of Beelzebub, on Wikiquotes
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:43 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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I suspect most of the surviving captive populations and inmates of the gulag as well as surviving families of the terror or hunger campaigns would tell you to frick off.
Probably.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:49 pm to PenguinNinja)
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What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?
Abolition of private property.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:50 pm to PenguinNinja)
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Been reading up a lot about 20th century history, and the bits about the October Revolution, WWII's Hitler v. Stalin component, and the Cold War got me wondering about the Poliboard's views on the fundamental problems with communism.
There are several fundamental problems. Under pure Marxism, the idea is that value derives solely from the amount of labor put into making something, which is sheer nonsense. Communism as practiced in the USSR took demand into account as well, but in only a mathematical way. Instead of observing how people buy and sell at various prices, Gosplan had armies of statisticians who would try to predict what demand would be. Of course they failed utterly and people gamed the system repeatedly.
Those are the economic failings, at any rate. Political failings were different but IMHO had less to do with communism specifically than with people who thought they really knew what was best and would save "the people" from folly, whether they liked it or not.
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ChemE in the OP
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:58 pm to TN Bhoy)
56 million deaths attributed to Christianity approx.
LINK
More than communism.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 9:04 pm to ChemE in the OP)
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56 million deaths attributed to Christianity approx.
re-check those numbers.
As a historian, most of those numbers are wild guesses.
9 million burned as witches? Please.
Most exaggerated number since the Million Man March.
The best ACTUAL estimates from non-crazy historians is between 7,000 and 100,000
Here is a link. LINK
Where did the 9 million come from? Completely made up, probably by NOW or some such.
So there goes the veracity of your 56 million killed by Christianity bull shite.
This post was edited on 11/20 at 9:05 pm
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 9:22 pm to PenguinNinja)
Nothing, Great system with wonderful leaders.
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 9:43 pm to badlands)
The people deserve picture size justice comrade.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 12:29 am to ZereauxSum)
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Actually, maybe we need some clarification from the OP. Are we talking about theory or what happened in the 20th century?
Sorry...should have clarified.
My OP was referring to communism in theory, not in practice a la USSR.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/21/12 at 12:34 am to ChemE in the OP)
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56 million deaths attributed to Christianity approx.
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More than communism.
Government has caused more deaths than any other organization. I want the weakest possible government.
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