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Scruffy 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Then it ain't communism, it's civil society, which we value dearly in America.
Explain your reasoning behind this.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:53 pm to Scruffy)
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Human beings are flawed which makes the implementation of communism impossible.
By what standard is human nature (as a whole) flawed? Compared to what?
I think it is disturbing when communism is deemed impossible because mankind is flawed. Maybe it is impossible to implement because it itself is flawed.
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evil cockroach 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:55 pm to PenguinNinja)
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What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?
Nothing, it just doesn't work, if we're going to be communist, then I'm not going to work, why work hard when you're not going to get paid for it, see the system cannot work,
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:55 pm to Scruffy)
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Explain your reasoning behind this.
Church, charity, volunteer groups, sports, PTA, etc.
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TN Bhoy
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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By what standard is human nature (as a whole) flawed? Compared to what?
Humans are not perfect. Communism assumes that humans are perfect/can be perfected.
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Robin Masters 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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So charity has to originate from an emotionally detached individual for it to rate as altruistic in your mind. Really?
I think we give to charity because it makes us feel good and does not qualify as altruism even under a loose interpretation.
It's an age old philosophical argument so it's nothing hair brained on my part. Blame Epicurus .
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coolpapaboze 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:57 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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absolute freedom in this regard
Come talk to me about property "ownership" when you start paying property tax.
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Scruffy
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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I think it is disturbing when communism is deemed impossible because mankind is flawed. Maybe it is impossible to implement because it itself is flawed.
Flawed may not have been the correct word, but it depends on how you look at it.
If I were to view humans through the "lens of communism", human beings are flawed.
But you are correct. The opposite is actually true. Communism is itself flawed since it does not apply to humans and attempts to negate our nature.
That doesn't mean that it is evil though.
This post was edited on 11/20 at 7:59 pm
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CC
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:59 pm to Scruffy)
Communism disincentivises productivity because it removes the human's primary motivation, self interest. Communism is unnatural. Name one species which naturally lives where the actions of the individual benefit the collective above the individual.
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Scruffy
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Church, charity, volunteer groups, sports, PTA, etc.
A lack of these doesn't make a communist society evil.
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Scruffy
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:00 pm to CC)
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Communism disincentivises productivity because it removes the human's primary motivation, self interest. Communism is unnatural.
I completely agree. I altered my statement in my preceding post.
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Name one species which naturally lives where the actions of the individual benefit the collective above the individual.
Ants.
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Patrick O Rly 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:01 pm to CC)
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Name one species which naturally lives where the actions of the individual benefit the collective above the individual.
Bees. Ants.
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constant cough
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:03 pm to PenguinNinja)
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Been reading up a lot about 20th century history, and the bits about the October Revolution, WWII's Hitler v. Stalin component, and the Cold War got me wondering about the Poliboard's views on the fundamental problems with communism.
In just the 20th century communism was responsible for more deaths than any other organized thought throughout history.
I'd say that's pretty evil.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:05 pm to Scruffy)
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A lack of these doesn't make a communist society evil.
This is true.
In the end, "evil" is a subjective term which can't be used to assert anything of intellectual value.
Yes, I realize I just contradicted my first statements.
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ChemE in the OP
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:06 pm to AUsteriskPride)
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It goes against human nature.. We are ingrained with selfishness. It's in our DNA.
Then why does your body release feel-good chemicals when you share and are generous? That's actually what's in your DNA...
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:08 pm to ChemE in the OP)
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Then why does your body release feel-good chemicals when you share and are generous?
You're not under the impression that communism involves sharing and generosity, right?
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Scruffy
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:08 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
I think we need to clarify what it is we are deeming evil.
IMO, an idea cannot be evil. A theory isn't evil. I could sit here all day and think about killing every living soul I meet, but without actual action, am I truly evil?
The action is what is evil. The men who attempted to forcibly implement communism on an unwilling populace are what is evil.
As I said before, the idea of communism isn't evil.
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CC
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:08 pm to Patrick O Rly)
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Bees. Ants.
Both are hierarchical. The individuals are working for the benefit of a breeding female, not a collective. Either way, I should've said, "higher animal."
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ChemE in the OP
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:09 pm to constant cough)
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In just the 20th century communism was responsible for more deaths than any other organized thought throughout history.
Christianity has resulted in more deaths than communism throughout history.
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 8:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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"evil" is a subjective term which can't be used to assert anything of intellectual value.
I said that in my first statement.  Although I do believe there is evil.
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