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Robin Masters 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:05 pm to NC_Tigah)
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What
You disagree with that assertion and then post a pic relating to organized religion. The institution which owes its existence to the fact that we are all hedonists.
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TrueTiger 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:06 pm to PenguinNinja)
Institutionalized violation of the 8th and 10th commandments.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:14 pm to benhamin5555)
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There are no inherent evils about it.
that's bullshite
it removes of our most basic AND important freedoms
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NC_Tigah
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:14 pm to Robin Masters)
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owes its existence to the fact that we are all hedonists.
So does the theory of Marxist Communism.
Your assertion that altruism doesn't exist may speak to your own attitudes, or even your own perceived experiences, but in reality altruism is pervasive in our society.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:14 pm to ZereauxSum)
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Actually, maybe we need some clarification from the OP. Are we talking about theory or what happened in the 20th century? If the latter, then the OP just asked a clown question.
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Been reading up a lot about 20th century history, and the bits about the October Revolution, WWII's Hitler v. Stalin component, and the Cold War got me wondering about the Poliboard's views on the fundamental problems with communism.
Seems he was not writing and reading about political philosophy but was about history so I'll go with the latter and not the former. latter, base
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:15 pm to coolpapaboze)
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Do you think we have that now in the United States?
yes. absolute freedom in this regard? no
but come the frick on
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Robin Masters
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:17 pm to NC_Tigah)
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but in reality altruism is pervasive in our society.
I would disagree but I'd like to hear your arguments for such a claim.
People do things because it gives them pleasure, no other reason.
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ZereauxSum
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:19 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Seems he was not writing and reading about political philosophy but was about history so I'll go with the latter and not the former. latter, base
I guess you're right. It just kind of seemed obvious what was evil about what actually happened.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:21 pm to ZereauxSum)
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It just kind of seemed obvious what was evil about what actually happened.
It certainly does, but this is "political Talk" you can read all sorts of crazy shite here.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:25 pm to Robin Masters)
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People do things because it gives them pleasure, no other reason.
So charity has to originate from an emotionally detached individual for it to rate as altruistic in your mind. Really?
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RCDfan1950
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 6:50 pm to PenguinNinja)
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What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO?Been reading up a lot about 20th century history, and the bits about the October Revolution, WWII's Hitler v. Stalin component, and the Cold War got me wondering about the Poliboard's views on the fundamental problems with communism. Go.
Uses violent government coercion to confiscate the labors of extra-productive individuals, in order to mitigate the consequences due those who are immoral, lazy, envious and civically irresponsible. Societal prosperity always increases the latter group; as it takes the Collective for them to cut it. Alone, or in small groups...they'd go away. Our get shot trying to steal by their smarter and more industious prey.
The inspired and productive in a Commie system lose their motivation, as they watch the slackers and pack them on their back, and the GNP goes south. And the slackers do what they always will...live poor...and whine about it. Just that they won't have to be envious...since everybody will be equally poor. Until the strong realize they have been duped...AGAIN...and pull the Atlas Shrugged, and get things going again.
Now you can call that cycle "evil", and it would be, on the part of the ignorant and sinful envious who game the system...as well as the narcissist, high-minded, demogougic power mongers who do the same game, but in order to gain 'spiritual' status even while they live above the material *equality* that they deem just for the multitudes. After all, they deserve it...standing up for the 'little guys'.
Of course, you could just call it human societal experimentation. Takes a few reps to get the process down. Then again...Evil narcissists and slackers will be with humanity always. So...enjoy the drama!
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goatmilker 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:17 pm to PenguinNinja)
Maybe....a few in charge of a bunch with no options to change the few?
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TN Bhoy 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:25 pm to PenguinNinja)
The denial of private property
Denial of The Fall.
This post was edited on 11/20 at 7:26 pm
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IceTiger
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:25 pm to PenguinNinja)
Great leap forward... just cutting a little fat...a necessity for the system to exist...
Aka wholesale massacre of 80+million people
That's the evil...the good of the state for the sake of the people
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:29 pm to PenguinNinja)
"Evil" is about as subjective of a term as the word "greed." What I would say is undesirable for me in communism is complete subjugation to the state. Supposedly Communism is suppose to be a stateless social order, but I've yet to see it, at least on a large scale.
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:32 pm to Robin Masters)
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People do things because it gives them pleasure, no other reason.
People voluntarily help other people because it pleases them to do it. People work because it gives them a sense of satisfaction. It's all self interest, but self interest can and often benefits others.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:44 pm to Patrick O Rly)
Communism is inherently evil; don't buy the "it looks good on paper" mumbo jumbo.
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Communism is inherently evil; don't buy the "it looks good on paper" mumbo jumbo.
I think Communism is a terrible idea, but I have no objection to people voluntarily living in a communist society.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:48 pm to Patrick O Rly)
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but I have no objection to people voluntarily living in a communist society.
Then it ain't communism, it's civil society, which we value dearly in America.
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| re: What is fundamentally "evil" about communism IYO? (Posted on 11/20/12 at 7:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Communism is inherently evil; don't buy the "it looks good on paper" mumbo jumbo.
I disagree. It actually is the exact opposite of evil, but that is only in theory.
Human beings are flawed which makes the implementation of communism impossible. It is a utopian dream which is unobtainable, no matter how many times people say, "it just hasn't been implemented correctly."
It cannot be "implemented correctly." It is even more of a pipe dream than a society based upon complete freedom.
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