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Remington Dawg
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


Yea, I remember hostesses getting paid normal wage and servers getting paid pennies on the hour.





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Jones
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


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you drive burning your gas


This shouldnt even be brought up in the conversation.






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notiger1997
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


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tipping on takeout


Depends on the place/situation. Alot of times when I order takeout, it's from a small mom and pop place or a bar. Those people know me and most of the time it is a waiter/bartender is who takes my order, boxes my food, etc. So my order is taking them away from doing another task that they could be getting real tips on. Why wouldn't I leave a couple of bucks.

Now picking up a pizza or something like that, no I am not tipping.






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LouisianaLady
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Message Posted by Hulkklogan I generally don't tip takeout. The hostess that gets your takeout is getting paid normal hourly wages.


No she's not.

I tip takeout. Just a couple bucks but I still tip. What's $1-$2 out of my pocket if it adds up and helps the girl out?






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Hulkklogan
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No she's not.

I tip takeout. Just a couple bucks but I still tip. What's $1-$2 out of my pocket if it adds up and helps the girl out?


In my personal experience, they are. When I worked at DeAngelo's, the hostess that worked the to-go counter made minimum wage. Maybe it's not the same everywhere and I'm ignorant to that, but I thought that was generally the truth. Not that minimum wage is worth a damn or anywhere close to what a server normally makes, anyway.






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LouisianaLady
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


Well at my old job, a specific person was assigned the to-go orders instead of waiting tables. We each took a turn doing it per week and its a pay cut compared to what you'd make waiting tables.
At most places I get orders from, the bartender helps me. In fact, the only place I can think where it's purely the hostess is Sammy's.
Regardless, $1-$2 doesn't hurt me and I know it greatly helps them :)






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VOR
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


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Black people are notorious for not tipping and everyone knows it.


No doubt, there's some truth to that, but it's certainly not universal and it's getting better (according to my friends in the industry). Also depends upon the restaurant.

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Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?



For the most part, but there are individual variations. I don't understand people who are hesitant to tip generously. I tip the hell out of bartenders, and, believe me, it pays off in the long run. I also tip well for food service. I just think it's part of the bargain. It's a tough job and I appreciate the work they do. If the service sucks, and it's actually the server's fault and not that of the kitchen, etc., the tip will go down accordingly.






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BamaDude06
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


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If one of my tables order was screwed up, I would grab my manager and have him talk to the table. Most of the time, I would still be tipped well.


This times infinity. I learned this lesson really quick when I was a server.

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If they don't like relying on tips I suggest they either 1) become really good at their job, or 2) choose a different career path. This isn't indentured servitude, after all.


IMO, a tip (regardless of the job) is something "extra" from the customer to the worker. I do not like the fact that America is one of the few countries that allows a business to vastly underpay their staff because of this.

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i would have rather received nothing. 50 cents is more of an insult imo


As a former server, I agree with you.

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The one thing that I don't like is automatic gratuity for larger parties. I understand the demand that it puts on the server(s). But in some cases they charge a 20% gratuity because it is a larger party. I never have a problem with leaving a generous tip. I have a problem with the ones recieving the tip setting the tip for me.


At the restaurant one of the big reasons for doing this is because focusing on a party requires more of your time (and they tend to have longer check times), which reduced the server's earnings compared to a server that was allowed to turn over more tables quickly because they did not have a party. Our managers would remove the tip if the party requested, no questions asked.


And yes, we did remember who tips well and who does not, and we made sure the other servers knew if they had a good or a bad table.

tl:dr, I know.







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LouisianaLady
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At the restaurant one of the big reasons for doing this is because focusing on a party requires more of your time (and they tend to have longer check times), which reduced the server's earnings compared to a server that was allowed to turn over more tables quickly


This. When you have a good bit of smaller tables and you get sat with a group of 8, you automatically try to help your smaller ones as much as possible before greeting the big one. I'll even let them know to place their order soon so they don't have to wait for the big group's food to finish.
A large group increases the chances of someone needing something every time you return to the table. If you're doing that, focus on other tables is compromised.






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BTHog
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


The obvious solution is to do away with the different minimum wage and make tipping extra not expected. I tip well but it aggravates me that im a cheap arse if i go below a certain percentage no matter the service i got.





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NaturalBeam
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


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But if servers made a standard wage, where would the incentive go to provide great service? If they KNEW that they would get 15 dollars an hour, it would be that much easier to say, "they can wait for that refill for just a minute, i need to take a break", because it would not impact their wallet. This is a service based industry and quality of service will always be driven by expected return.
Every other business seems to do OK with this model. I don't make tips - but I work hard b/c I'm paid well and I like working where I work.

Are you saying waiters are such shitty people that they can't do a normal job - they have to be paid for each and every menial task they perform or they won't do it?






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Hat Tricks
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


I usually tip pretty generously but why is it that 20% is expected now instead of 15%, when the final amount already ends up being more these days because things cost more than they did a few years ago?





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Jibbajabba
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


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Every other business seems to do OK with this model. I don't make tips - but I work hard b/c I'm paid well and I like working where I work. Are you saying waiters are such shitty people that they can't do a normal job - they have to be paid for each and every menial task they perform or they won't do it?


That is not at all what I am saying. But to answer your point, what if other business models could be impacted by tips. Do you think the stocker at walmart would work faster if he knew he would make more money? Would cashiers check people out faster if the were paid in tips from the shoppers? I know they would not stand around talking to each other about where they got their nails did if they knew that the shopper wasnt satisfied and would not tip them.

I do feel as though that is unrealistic to try and change the way retail works but I feel as though that example does show my point.






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danman6336
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


I am an extremely generous tipper, to the point that I usually get mad at myself for how much money I just gave to my server/bartender, but I will never tip for takeout.

You didn't provide any service to me that necessitates me giving you any extra money. You threw food in a box and handed it to me. I'm not giving anyone extra money for doing essentially nothing.






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NaturalBeam
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


I don't necessarily agree that tips will improve performance as opposed to higher pay. As I said, most every other industry does fine without this. I understand that wait staff at high end restaurants are competitive positions - Most sane people who are paid well will work hard b/c they want to keep their job. It's pretty short-sighted to treat different tables differently solely based on your tip at that particular table.

The biggest issue I have with this is that waiters seem to have union worker mentalities - that the purpose for a restaurant to exist is to provide jobs for waiters (as opposed to serving customers with drink and food). And then waiters get upset with the customers who are expected to play along with unwritten rules, instead of the management that is only paying pennies per hour or themselves, who agreed to work for only pennies per hour.

It's the same backwards entitlement mentality that union workers have - forget manufacturing profits/losses - manufacturing jobs must exist so that people will have a place to work.






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alajones
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


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Thoughts?
Delivering pizzas will make you a racist. Drivers aways dread grabbing Sprite out of the cooler. Yes, plenty of white people don't tip also, and Mexicans are almost as bad, but blacks are by far the worst. It isn't just the white drivers either, the black drivers don't get tipped either.

I haven't delivered since before 9/11 though, doubt things have changed that much.






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RBWilliams8
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


Yes it's a learned behavior. Like most things, people don't think it's wrong if they were brought up not knowing better.

I'm embarassed when someone I'm with doesn't tip and will usually throw down an extra 3-4 bucks to accomidate a little.






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Mad_Mardigan
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


I work as a bartender and I feel I give extraordinary service. My number 1 rule has always been to give great service even to non tippers but it gets to a point when people who don't tip make you angry to even serve them. This day and age EVERYONE knows to tip bartenders, servers, etc. To not even throw $1 to decent service is the ultimate "frick you" to people working hard to get by.
I, as a bartender, overtip when I go out to over compensate for those who don't.
If anyone reading this doesn't tip I just want them to know that if they frequent a place or are a regular anywhere, the people waiting on you hate you. You have probably had some tainted food or drinks in the past and will continue in the future so.....






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Jones
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


i pictures your avy reading your post



i do agree though. especially with the last part. cant be fun eating stuff off the floor or wherever else the people decide to get some stuff to taint your food with






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VOR
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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?


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The biggest issue I have with this is that waiters seem to have union worker mentalities - that the purpose for a restaurant to exist is to provide jobs for waiters (as opposed to serving customers with drink and food).


I have no idea where you came up with this analogy.

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And then waiters get upset with the customers who are expected to play along with unwritten rules, instead of the management that is only paying pennies per hour or themselves, who agreed to work for only pennies per hour.


Actually, no they didn't agree to work for pennies per hour. The American service industry presupposes tips as part of a server's compensation.



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