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NC_Tigah
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Was my assumption correct
Not in the least.

It's the only logical end point to your ME beliefs.

Assertions that Israel would face no security threats following return to 1967 geography are as pathetically naive as insistence that no wrong has been done to non-Jews in the region.






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CarrolltonTiger
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It's the only logical end point to your ME beliefs.


Then that means you were not serious and my assumption was correct.

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Assertions that Israel would face no security threats following return to 1967 geography are as pathetically naive as insistence that no wrong has been done to non-Jews in the region.


That was not the statement I made you dumb ass. I stated that the giving up of the occupied territories does not make israeli security worse. And it does not.

If you think it does support your claim. I bet you can't.






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SammyTiger
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WTF! My point is that it is not one sided. The Zionist terrorist are criminals just like Arab terrorists. The occupation is a crime. The occupation has to end and Israel is not going to be rewarded for its crimes.


Your point is radically that is is one sided. You compare ISrael to Nazi germany, and the PAlestinians might as well be the Sons of Liberty. That isn't impartial that i partial to the arabs. You blame like 80% of the problems in the middle east on Zionists. That in't impartial. So don't WTF me.

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i DON'T BELIEVE DESTABILIZING YOUR NEIGHBORS THEN CLAIMing THEY CAN'T CONTROL TERRORISTS IS RATIONAL. But then Israel wants the land free of the indigenous inhabitants not to be reasonable as its claims are based upon myths.


They can't control shite. They can't even control themselves now. There will be attacks on ISrael if a Palestinian nation is formed. That is inevitable. ONly they will be free of Israeli control, so they will have better rockets, and the attacks will kill more men, women and Children. Then what?






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NC_Tigah
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That was not the statement I made you dumb ass. I stated that the giving up of the occupied territories does not make israeli security worse. And it does not.
There you go with silly unsupportable assumptions again.

Your solution is getting those rotten occupiers out of pre-1948 Palestine.
That is your only logical end point.
Seriously.
That is it.
Own it.

Move the Jews back from whence they came. They'd likely not respond by strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up Europeans.

One can naively pretend a retreat to 1967 geography would somehow temper things. Apparently you do. In fact, a retreat to 1967 would solve nothing except movement toward the end of a Jewish state amidst its neighboring Arab countries. Until Arabs in the region show an ability to police their own, to curb their extremists, to cease murdering Israeli women and children, to cease attacks from their own Palestinian schools, mosques, and neighborhoods, Israelis cannot trust any peace would be forthcoming in retreat. None.

Move the Jews back from whence they came.
That's your end point.






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Porky
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There will be attacks on ISrael if a Palestinian nation is formed. That is inevitable.

Israel and the all the Arab countries in the area need to figure this crap out on their own. It is not the United States' problem and we don't have the solution. I don't even know if there is a solution.

Carving out and establishing a new non-Arab country within an area surrounded by Arab countries was not a brilliant idea in the first place. It's a recipe for conflict IMO. Israel is not the United States of America and the United States doesn't need this shite.

There is nothing to gain and a lot to lose by allowing ourselves to be a part of the conflict.






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SammyTiger
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Israel and the all the Arab countries in the area need to figure this crap out on their own. It is not the United States' problem and we don't have the solution. I don't even know if there is a solution.

Carving out and establishing a new non-Arab country within an area surrounded by Arab countries was not a brilliant idea in the first place. It's a recipe for conflict IMO. Israel is not the United States of America and the United States doesn't need this shite.

There is nothing to gain and a lot to lose by allowing ourselves to be a part of the conflict.


I get this point of view, but it isn't the one that CT and trackfan are pushing. They are on the Israel is the equivalent to Nazi germany, the apartheid and the empire from star wars wrapped into tone, and the Arabs are like the the wolverines from red dawn ban wagon. If you don't think the US should pick a side, then don't pick a side.






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CarrolltonTiger
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Your solution is getting those rotten occupiers out of pre-1948 Palestine.


Never suggested anything of the sort you liar.

Why don't you deal with what I write.

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Move the Jews back from whence they came.
That's your end point.


Can't defend your positon without lies can you. The 1067 borders are in the ME not Europe you dumb ass.

Why won't you discuss the real threat to Israel?






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CarrolltonTiger
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Your point is radically that is is one sided.


No it isn't, it ends the occupation and protects israel in ints legal borders.

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You compare ISrael to Nazi germany, and the PAlestinians might as well be the Sons of Liberty.


israel is conducting an occupation and ethnic cleansing and the Palestiniasn are resisting the criminal occupation.

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They can't control shite.


Because they are under an occupation. You can't have it both ways Sammy. You can't hold a people responsible for no government when you won't let them have a government.







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NC_Tigah
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The 1067 borders are in the ME not Europe you dumb ass
You'd be better off laying of the "dumb ass" BS. Otherwise you'll continue to make a fool out of yourself as you did here.
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Your solution is getting those rotten occupiers out of pre-1948 Palestine.
Never suggested anything of the sort you liar.
Of course you didn't. Nonetheless, the only logical end point on the path you propose is elimination of occupiers from pre-1948 Palestine.






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Fat Bastard
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Layabout



a dead muslim HAMAS terrorist? oh the horror! WHo never wanted any harm on israel, right?

There is a great deal of ignorance in America and the West with regard to HAMAS. Note that all of the combat in the current conflict is around Gaza. All of the rockets have been coming from Gaza.

Gaza is controlled by HAMAS.

HAMAS is NOT a Palestinian nationalist movement. They are a Jihadist movement. They were formed by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as the Muslim Brotherhood wing in Israel.

Their goal is the establishment of an Islamic state ruled by Shariah law.

Their charter calls for the destruction of Israel.

HAMAS is not fighting to get some olive farms back. HAMAS is fighting as part of the global jihadist movement. They are supported by Iran and by wealthy Sauds, Qataris and other Muslims around the world.

HAMAS is not seeking a "two-state solution." HAMAS is seeking to replace Israel with an Islamic state along the lines of Taliban Afghanistan. There is NOTHING good that can come out of any state ruled by HAMAS under any circumstances. HAMAS is an enemy of the entire Western civilization.






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Fat Bastard
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Be glad, myself and Fat Bastard have known him for way longer than you and Rex too.





yep. i see nobody saying Israel has conducted itself perfectly.....but CT cannot and will not accept the overwhelming facts about wars of arab muslim aggression, Islamic HAMAS, their charter, among other things thrown his way........sad indeed.



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Poodlebrain
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In this documentary, Ezer Weizman, at the time Israeli Chief of Military Operations, says it was a surprise attack by Israel.
D Day was also a surprise attack by the Allies. The Germans knew it was coming they just didn't know where or when. Were the Allies criminals for attacking a country they were already at war with? No, and neither were the Israelis. The Arabs started the war when they blockaded the Straits of Tiran two weeks before the Israelis attacked. The Egyptians actually had their air force on high alert the morning of June 5, 1967. They expected the Israelis to attack at dawn which is when most surprise attacks are launched. The Israelis attacked several hours later by which time the Egyptians had stood down their air force.

Every attacker hopes to achieve some level of surprise. It is a basic military tactic to keep your enemy guessing where, when and how you might attack.






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CarrolltonTiger
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.....but CT cannot and will not accept the overwhelming facts about wars of arab muslim aggression,


What are these facts I reject?

What specific wars of wars of arab muslim aggression are you writing about? Soviet invasion of afghanistan? US invasion of Iraq? israeli invasion of lebanon?

What is sad letting a foreign state control your Congress and foreign policy and being joyous about it.

What is sad is supporting genocide and super races and their domination of inferior peoples without rights because of your holy book. Hypocrites that can't see they are religious nuts just like the people they criticise.






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mytigger
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Carrollton,

You always claim the palestinians are the original inhabitants, but the Israelites have as much claim to that land as anyone else. They were there thousands of years ago.

But for arguments sake, let's just say that they weren't. So what? They fought for the land and took it. To the winner goes the spoils. This has happened throughout the history of mankind.

Israel isn't going to give the land back. The palestinians are either going to get themselves killed or move on. If they want it back they're going to have to take it back by force. Launching missiles like a bunch of bitches without force ably trying to remove the current inhabitants is only going to draw the wrath of the Israeli military.






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Porky
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D Day was also a surprise attack by the Allies.

Poodlebrain, The invasion of Normandy was commenced as a means to liberate people from German occupation. It was a big step in ending a conflict, not to escalate or perpetuate one. I can understand the Israelis wanting to get rid of Hamas but I don't see that ever happening with continued occupation of the lands taken during the '67 war. Giving the land back might not help either but continually harassing an innocent population isn't either. And that goes for both sides though Israel definitely appears to be the one not willing to negotiate. That's just my opinion and it really makes no difference.

I'm only concerned about the United States and our problems at home. We have plenty, including the fact that some foreign countries, numerous special interest groups, various corporations, domestic and abroad, and PAC's have much more clout in regard to decisions relating to our internal affairs than the American people themselves.






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Fat Bastard
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CarrolltonTiger



= The jew hunter

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Fat Bastard
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And that goes for both sides though Israel definitely appears to be the one not willing to negotiate. That's just my opinion and it really makes no difference.


They have had 3 chances at statehood. that is not what they want. HAMAS is a jihadist movement. Not nationalist. Read their charter for crying out loud.






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SammyTiger
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No it isn't, it ends the occupation and protects israel in ints legal borders.


You are completely ignorant to think that Palestinian radicals will be happy with the 1967 borders. I think that is just complete naiveté.

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israel is conducting an occupation and ethnic cleansing and the Palestiniasn are resisting the criminal occupation.


How is ISrael's any more criminal that the US of afghanistan? They are protecting their people. The occupation is necessary.

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Because they are under an occupation. You can't have it both ways Sammy. You can't hold a people responsible for no government when you won't let them have a government.



There is a palestinian authority, they have leaders, and those leaders can't keep the radical militant element in check. Why would they be able too once they have been appeased by your solution? What keeps the people who's mindset totally justifies targeting civilians from wanting more? These are the questions that Palestine can't answer, you can't answer, and ISrael can't afford to find out on its own. Keep saying all they want is a solution, but you're wrong. Would most be? Sure maybe but most people aren't firing rockets.






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Wolfhound45
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The juice will not let this stand




Please tell me that was photoshopped.







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Geauxrilla Ballz
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What Israel is doing is ethnically cleansing the Holy Land. The Occupation is to prevent a majority of Arab (Christian/Muslim/etc) inhabitants - hence the push for settlements (which are illegal according to International Law) and absolute refusal to the right of return for the true people who indigenously lived in the Holy Land.

The interesting fact is that total racists like Avigdore Lieberman have now risen to controlling positions in the Israeli government and OUR country is so involved.

We are very much a part of a new haulocaust, and it is only a matter of time before our country either has to distance itself from Israel, or accept the fact that we are supportive of an Aparthied killing machine.

Israel is on the record for saying they will accept an aparthied-type government (which they are) over letting non-Jews be a majority.

This is not a Jewish thing, it is a Zionist thing. There are plenty of Jews who oppose the Israeli government - that is a fact.

Learn the difference between Judaism and Zionism. Criticising the State of Israel is not anti semitic.






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