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LaBornNRaised 
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/17/12 at 9:46 pm to fleaux)
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Why so much hate?.. it takes a weak mind to hate as much as you do
Or a radical ... 
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SammyTiger 
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/17/12 at 11:25 pm to LaBornNRaised)
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Exactly, the occupation draws resistance
Losing wars of aggression draws occupation which draws resistance which draws security which draws more resistance.
It isn't one sided no matter how much you want it to be. We would do that same if we were Israel.
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Bard 
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 12:19 am to SammyTiger)
HopeNchange, bitches!11111!!!
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Poodlebrain
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:39 am to fleaux)
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Why so much hate?
Israel attacked the USS Liberty. Of course if that is his justification, then shouldn't his hate for those who attacked the Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983 be about 7 times worse since about 7 times as many Americans were killed? The organization Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, but it is now accepted that Islamic Jihad became Hezbollah. Instead of hating Hezbollah, recognized as a terrorist organization by the United States, the Hitler Enabler advocates for their "victory" against Israel.
Yet he accuses me of hating the United States because I do not demand retribution for the attack on the USS Liberty. Kind of twisted, but obsessive hate will do that to you.
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Pigimus Prime 
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:52 am to Poodlebrain)
For me "The Liberty Incident" is not about demanding retribution or an instant switching of sides. It is simply proof positive that Israel serves its own interest, and would do so to our detriment. I further argue that we should not have supported them since the incident. It doesn't mean we take another side, or do anything else for that matter. It simply means we should back away and stay out of it.
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Porky
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 2:59 am to Pigimus Prime)
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It simply means we should back away and stay out of it.
I agree. Israel can fight and pay for their own war/s.
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CITWTT
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 4:59 am to Poodlebrain)
Be glad, myself and Fat Bastard have known him for way longer than you and Rex too.
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mooseknuckle
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 7:17 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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FYI arabs are also semites you dumb shite.
I did not know that until you made me curious to look it up. I learned something today.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:12 am to SammyTiger)
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It isn't one sided no matter how much you want it to be.
WTF! My point is that it is not one sided. The Zionist terrorist are criminals just like Arab terrorists. The occupation is a crime. The occupation has to end and Israel is not going to be rewarded for its crimes.
I'm not on here arguing to kill anyone or everyone, that is the evangelical dolts. I'm not arguing either sacred book is the justification for crimes. I don't believe Jesus sends hurricanes if we don't send money to John Hagee and Israel. I recognize the right of Israel to exist with security within its legal borders.
i DON'T BELIEVE DESTABILIZING YOUR NEIGHBORS THEN CLAIMing THEY CAN'T CONTROL TERRORISTS IS RATIONAL. But then Israel wants the land free of the indigenous inhabitants not to be reasonable as its claims are based upon myths.
I find our queer affection for Israel harmful to the US and outraeous.
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CITWTT
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:20 am to CarrolltonTiger)
If you don't want to be occupied, then don't lose the war that you started, otherwise deal with it as it is your own damned fault. Egypt dealt with it after losing all of thier army hardware in the Sinai. Arafat had a deal in front of him, and walked the F away, which was another bad decision.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 8:36 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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The occupation is a crime
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I recognize the right of Israel to exist with security within its legal borders.
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But then Israel wants the land free of the indigenous inhabitants not to be reasonable
So how do we consolidate the antitheticals of criminal occupation vs the right of Israel to exist with security? How is that accomplished when Israel's neighbors recognize no such right, and based on that reality, evolving back to 1948 borders makes Israeli security impossible? How do those objectives get reconciled when reinstating "indigenous" inhabitants would make internal security impossible?
It seems the more obvious solution is reestablishment of preWWII Palestine, and encouragement of post-1948 Israeli Jews to peaceably migrate back to Central Europe.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:02 am to NC_Tigah)
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So how do we consolidate the antitheticals of criminal occupation vs the right of Israel to exist with security?
First, we dismiss the myths regarding the threats to Isreali security. The occupation of palestine does not create security it creates terrorists.
There are several types of threats, nuclear, conventional, low intensity conflict, economic. The continued occupation of Palestine does nothing in regard to 1, 2 or 4 and makes 3 much worse.
Israel wants the land for colonists not security.
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How is that accomplished when Israel's neighbors recognize no such right,
That is utter BS, Israel won't compromise on the land it occupies, it can accept the status quo as long as the US enables intransigence.
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How do those objectives get reconciled when reinstating "indigenous" inhabitants would make internal security impossible?
Go back to the 1967 lines with no right of return, that would be acceptable to the Palestinians but not israel, Israel wants the land.
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It seems the more obvious solution is reestablishment of preWWII Palestine, and encouragement of post-1948 Israeli Jews to peaceably migrate back to Central Europe.
I assume this is a weak attempt at humor.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:34 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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I assume this is a weak attempt at humor.
You assume quite a bit.quote:
myths regarding the threats to Isreali security.
More assumptions.quote:
The occupation of palestine does not create security it creates terrorists.
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go back to the 1967 lines with no right of return,
In other words Israelis would continue to "occupy" Palestine.quote:
that would be acceptable to the Palestinians
It wasn't acceptable in 1948. It wasn't acceptable in 1967. But it would acceptable now? Really?
Quite a set of assumptions.
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CITWTT
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:37 am to CarrolltonTiger)
If you would please, provide the people that want to know why were Jews being slaughtered prior to 1948 by the "peaceful" Palestinians? Why would a sweet little 92 year old Palestinian women celebrate the killing of an entire village(in 1929) which she participated in as a child? What did Palestinian do last year after a family, the youngest less than a year old,was slaughtered by two Muslims. You know it all goes back to 1948 to you and Slowrunner. What does the Koran and all of the Arab leadership say about Jews and thier status in the world? What does the latest proclaimation from Iran say about Jews and Israel, the same from the Muslim Brotherhood(Hamas) and Hezbollah. Why were Arabs killing Jews for Hitler? Why did Egypt hire German nuclear scientists in the early 60s(they left after a few got a bit blown the F up)? HOw is it that so many years after a campaign of "genocide" was initiated are there so many Palestinians still running around in the ME?
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:40 am to NC_Tigah)
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You assume quite a bit.
Was my assumption correct or where you serious?
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In other words Israelis would continue to "occupy" Palestine.
No, Isreal would return to its internationally recognized borders and end the occupation of the territories on which it does not have sovereignty. palestine becomes a state and becomes responsible for its actions. Israel seizes the destbility in lebannon and it tries to return to what it was before israel intervened.
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It wasn't acceptable in 1948. It wasn't acceptable in 1967. But it would acceptable now? Really?
So you are suggesting nothing ever changes, the Tsar is still in Moscow, China is still weak and controlled by foreign countries, oil has not been discovered in the middle East and Britain still controls Suez.
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Quite a set of assumptions.
As is everything you wrote.
Why didn't you respond to my statement about the threats to israel? How is Palestine a threat to the powerful state of israel?
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Poodlebrain
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:41 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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The occupation is a crime.
No, the occupation is perfectly legal. Crimes have been committed in administering the occupation, but that does not make the occupation criminal.
Law enforcement organizations from the United States government broke Mexican laws during Operation Fast and Furious. Does that make the enforcement of United States laws criminal?
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The occupation has to end and Israel is not going to be rewarded for its crimes.
The crime of being attacked by its neighbors in 1967? Defending yourself from aggression is not a crime, and that is how the territory came to be occupied. What sort of punishment do the aggressors deserve? You have freely admitted that the Palestinians have committed crimes as well, why should they be rewarded for their crimes? Control of the land is not an all or nothing affair. The Palestinians insist it is, but they have no claim under international law as it existed when they and their Arab allies started a war of aggression. They have nothing more than the right to negotiate a peace treaty with the Israelis that will determine the disposition of the land.
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i DON'T BELIEVE DESTABILIZING YOUR NEIGHBORS THEN CLAIMing THEY CAN'T CONTROL TERRORISTS IS RATIONAL. But then Israel wants the land free of the indigenous inhabitants not to be reasonable as its claims are based upon myths.
I don't believe people who adopted terrorism as a means of attacking their neighbors when their neighbors were refugees can claim they engage in terrorism due to oppression. Arabs were terrorizing Jews in the Middle East for centuries before the Zionist movement was born. They certainly can't claim it was the occupation that led them to terrorist attacks against Israel from 1948 through 1967, yet they perpetrated them.
As far as people claiming indigenous status, when does the clock start on that one?
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:52 am to Poodlebrain)
No, the occupation is perfectly legal. Crimes have been committed in administering the occupation, but that does not make the occupation criminal.
Sure it does, an occupation with intent to colonize is ILLEGAL.
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They have nothing more than the right to negotiate a peace treaty with the Israelis that will determine the disposition of the land.
Typical Zionist Bull shite no negotiations we contiue to colonize and you lose.
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As far as people claiming indigenous status, when does the clock start on that one?
For the Zionist to claim they are the indigenous people of Palestine, that would have ran out about 2000 years ago. Palestinans are still there, live with it.
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TexasTiger05
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 11:04 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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arabs are also semites you dumb shite.
Christians too fwiw
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Porky
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 11:25 am to Poodlebrain)
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The crime of being attacked by its neighbors in 1967?
In this documentary, Ezer Weizman, at the time Israeli Chief of Military Operations, says it was a surprise attack by Israel. Go to the 14:00 mark:
LINK
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Poodlebrain
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| re: 740 missiles fired into Israel since operation started... (Posted on 11/18/12 at 11:27 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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Palestinans are still there, live with it.
Not several million of them as claimed. Most were expelled from other Arab countries rather than descended from residents of pre-1948 Israel. And why must Israel allow foreign ownership of real estate when other countries have restrictions against the same?
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