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DCRebel
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re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist?


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understand that the Framers' foremost fear was that the Constitution would create a central govt with unbridled authority to intrude too greatly upon individual liberty?


Why is it that you and many others think you can safely and accurately make such a claim?

There's this myth that gets perpetuated in American politics about the monolithic nature of the Founding Fathers, that they all thought the same about the role of government and the extent of the division of powers. They didn't. The politics of guys like John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton were hardly the same at all.

So saying "the founders wanted this" or "the framers intended that" completely ignores this important point, and that's largely that you have no damned idea what they wanted or intended.

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And as for the ridiculous notion that some legal principle was settled in the 19th Century, let me point out that the Court has flip-flopped on well-settled law on many occasions throughout history.



Yeah, exactly. Legal opinion changes. That flexibility is rather important to the maintenance of our nation and government.






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DCRebel
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I simply can't be persuaded that they would one day abandon this bedrock principle of theirs and accept the Leviathan FedGov that we have today.


Well then what's the point int talking to you if you literally "can't be persuaded"? I'm not asking you to change your mind, but if you openly admit that you're unable to then there's really no purpose to our discussion.

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FedGov is spending the USA into oblivion. This current philosophy of governance that allows FedGov to continue to do this is proving to be destructive.


Is it? I've yet to hear a convincing argument that supports this. I just don't think we're on the path towards financial ruin, nor do I think that such policies are destructive in the short run. But if there's something that I'm not seeing then please let me know.

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but, things are not working very well.


Define "very well," because I think that all things considered the United States is doing quite well. We're economically prosperous, we don't have significant civil or social unrest, our government is relatively non-corrupt.

Of course things could be better, but I disagree that things "are not working very well."






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist?


Maybe if he didn't sell out the left by not gonig after Universal health Care.





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