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Wolfhound45 
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:33 pm to los angeles tiger)
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Commander-in-Chief
los angeles tiger, thanks for the kind words. I truly appreciate them. I always keep in mind the line from "Band of Brothers"
"Captain Sobel. We salute the rank, not the man."
LINK
I have (and will always have) tremendous respect for the office, even when I disagree (but do not disrespect) the individual holding it.
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:34 pm to Wolfhound45)
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Just glad I never had to do that crap. Humping an M60 (old school, back in the day) was more than enough for me.
Tell civilians that the weapon weighs 25 pounds (dry), the tripod weighs ~12 pounds, and the basic load of ammo is around ~40 pounds, and the crew has to carry roughly 50, 60 pounds per man of other equipment and their eyes glaze over.
The 11Cs look over at the 60 crew and yell, "How about carrying some weight, pu$$ies!"
The M249 has saved more backs and knees than anyone will ever know.
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:34 pm to Wolfhound45)
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I have (and will always have) tremendous respect for the office, even when I disagree (but do not disrespect) the individual holding it.
As cousin Eddy said to Clark "bingo"
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ripper88
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:34 pm to Decatur)
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Decatur
It's my position that everything the admin. said following Benghazi was politically motivated. They bought extra time w/ the video dog & pony show then deflected w/ the I said terrorist/not terrorist semantics. Do you agree? Do you question Obama's integrity?
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:38 pm to Ace Midnight)
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The 11Cs look over at the 60 crew and yell, "How about carrying some weight, pu$$ies!"
Well said my grunt brother, well said.
But there is a big difference between that 60mm in a rifle company and an 81mm in a weapons company.
Bottom line, I had no interest in being either an 11C or an 11H back in day (1981) at Fort Benning (B-7-1). 11 bang bang was good enough for me.
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:41 pm to ripper88)
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They bought extra time w/ the video dog & pony show
How so? What do you mean?
What do you think would have been different if the al qaeda link weren't minimized?
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mmcgrath
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:42 pm to jonboy)
Wish we could see film of the hearing, redacted or otherwise. This he said / she said nonsense from Senators is for the birds.
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:43 pm to mmcgrath)
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This he said / she said nonsense from Senators is for the birds.
And by design. I agree with you.
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Jbird
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:46 pm to mmcgrath)
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Wish we could see film of the hearing, redacted or otherwise. This he said / she said nonsense from Senators is for the birds
..Do you support a Select Comittee ALA watergate/Iran Contra?
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:47 pm to Wolfhound45)
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But there is a big difference between that 60mm in a rifle company and an 81mm in a weapons company.
They tell me the M224A1s will be under 40 pounds, out the door, which isn't too shabby.
The M252A1s will be around 70 pounds. I never humped anything heavier than an M60 (which was plenty), but at least somebody is thinking of the money the VA can save down the line by getting some of this stuff to a manageable weight.
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LSURussian
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:51 pm to Decatur)
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The General's testimony today pretty much discredits your thread from yesterday.....
I don't think so
What a shock!
Of course it does. Keep denying it. You just look more foolish.
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ripper88
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:56 pm to baybeefeetz)
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What do you think would have been different if the al qaeda link weren't minimized?
More damaging considering the fact that extra security was requested. The video angle gives the excuse of it being a spontaneous act.
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Poodlebrain
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:16 pm to Wolfhound45)
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Too many people on this board get their understanding of crew served weapons from movies or Call of Duty. They simply do not understand the amount of time and effort go into simply;
1 - MOVING an 82mm mortar and ammunition
2 - EMPLACING
3 - SIGHTING
4 - RANGING
5 - FIRING
I raised these same issues way back when. There is also the coordination necessary between the observors and fire control personnel. They have to have common maps, communication equipment and practiced procedures to direct the fire to the desired target. You don't just have a mob show up and say Abdul go sit on the roof of Ahmed's building and tell those guys over there where to fire.
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tketaco
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:18 pm to jonboy)
The Facts are Stacked! Obama fricked!!
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:21 pm to Poodlebrain)
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Way Right of Rex
Dude, I was going to comment on your comment to my comment and then I saw this and did this...
My later afternoon cup of coffee all over the place.
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:22 pm to Ace Midnight)
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...at least somebody is thinking of the money the VA can save down the line by getting some of this stuff to a manageable weight.
Never thought about it in that way. Well done sir!
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jonboy
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:34 pm to Decatur)
Benghazi is a single event with 2 tactical pieces. The first piece is the "flash mob". Armed, known terrorists present - this is the feint. There to create as much chaos as possible. The second piece is the attack on the annex. The annex attack was the objective. Congressman CA Dutch Ruppersberger(a democrat) was on Greta last night discussing the visible command and control exhibited during the second attack. The first piece needed zero command and control, it was the main effort where their resources were forcus.
This strategy has been utilized in Iraq & Afghanistan for years by insurgent groups & is fairly common. In Iraq they would use children as the distraction. Petraeus - more than anyone in an agency director position in the executive branch - knows these things. Hell, a private on his first deployment knows this.
It sure as shite didn't take them a week to figure out it wasnt a video.
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:36 pm to buddhavista)
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but 4 dead doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.
How cold and offensive!
Would it have mattered if it was your Dad or brothers or sons or loved ones?
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MOT
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:54 pm to 756)
Haven't read the entire thread but I'm unclear about something after reading quotes in different articles.
Was all mention of it being a terrorist attack removed because of the sensitive information, not to tip off the terror group, etc?
Or was mention of the specific suspected group's name removed in order to not tip them off, and then all mention of it being a terror attack was removed for some other reason?
One article or set of quotes I've seen makes it sound like the second scenario, with P being aware the group name was removed but not the rest. And another article makes it sound like the first scenario, and he was aware all mention had been removed.
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Elcid96
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:56 pm to jonboy)
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Hell, a private on his first deployment knows this.
Yes, but how long does it take a Community Organizer to figure it out?
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