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jonboy 
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:13 am to Decatur)
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altered by interagency process"
Touche'....an interagency process is still the administration.
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USMCTiger03
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:15 am to jonboy)
Who would have something to gain from the American people not knowing AQ involvement was suspected from the beginning? 
Was there some event coming up that the information could have reflected poorly on someone's lack of preparedness or performance??
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Decatur
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:16 am to buddhavista)
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if the administration played down the terrorist angle, its not watergate level
They might have confirmed involvement by some members of Ansar al Sharia but it does not appear that AaS had planned it or even sanctioned it (at the leadership level). There were people from several other groups involved, as well as people who did not belong to any group and other looters.
They may have found it more prudent to say that "extremists" were involved, with the caveat that they would know more about the attackers as the investigation continued.
I really don't see a problem with switching out "AQ involvement" vs. "extremists" in the statements, especially considering they did not who all was involved at the time.
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:20 am to jonboy)
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Touche'....an interagency process is still the administration.
Fact.
Trying to insinuate that the administration only encompasses the White House itself. Not true.
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Jbird 
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:21 am to Wolfhound45)
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Trying to insinuate that the administration only encompasses the White House itself. Not true.
Wait...what, you mean the Executive Branch is more than the White House? Mind blown! 
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guttata
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:22 am to Decatur)
Do you honestly think this dog and pony show changes anyone's opinion on Obama. The far majority of people who voted for Obama could give 2 shits what he did or didn't do, or what knew.
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ripper88
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:22 am to Decatur)
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I really don't see a problem with switching out "AQ involvement" vs. "extremists" in the statements, especially considering they did not who all was involved at the time.
Fine, Decatur, but why place the emphasis on the video?
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OLDBEACHCOMBER
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:24 am to buddhavista)
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If the CIA was clueless about this stuff, then its not watergate level
if the administration played down the terrorist angle, its not watergate level
if stevens was at the compound to illegally transfer guns to the opposition in syria, its as big as watergate. Although the iran contra affair, which was arguably the same thing wasn't as big as watergate.
Watergate = Files were stolen for an election, then a Pesident lied and covered up knowledge of the plan.
Benghazi= What's know so far. Ambassador Steven's
request more protection. None was given.
An attack kills Steven's and 3 others.
The Libayan President says it is "Poposterous to think attack was a Spontanieous Protest" before Susan Rice continued claims that was the case.
President Obama and Secretary Clinton issues an apology for a Youtube video insulting Muslims.
Arrest made on the person responsible for making video. Chaged with using a aliases while on probation.
President later claims he identified attack as "Terrorist attack.
Ground forces claim they were ordered 3 times to "Stand Down" after they requested permission to take action to save the American Citizens under attack.
Clinton refuses to testify due to more pressing issues than a death of an American Ambassador, in Austria.
Sudden release of information on Petraeus, taking him from American Hero to discredited,untrust worthy, ax grinder.
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Decatur
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:26 am to ripper88)
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Fine, Decatur, but why place the emphasis on the video?
Because there was a lot of intel pointing to it
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At the same time, a stream of intelligence -- including about 20 distinct reports -- also emerged indicating that a brewing furor over the anti-Islamic video preceded the attack.
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Intercepted cell phone calls and text messages from that night indicate that some of those who attacked the consulate were inspired in part by televised scenes of protesters storming the American embassy in Cairo, enraged over an anti-Muslim video running on the internet. Others seemed to have nothing more in mind than looting.
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:27 am to Jbird)
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Mind blown!
My officers always scratch their heads when I tell them they are a member of the executive branch of government. Tell them to go read their commissioning certificate and oath of office.
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themunch
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:28 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER)
watergate level no its not.... its much worse imo
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:29 am to ripper88)
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but why place the emphasis on the video?
Because, for the millionth time, there was never any "either or". An extremist group used the chaos over the video as an opportunity to attack.
Why is that so difficult to grasp?
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Jbird
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:30 am to Wolfhound45)
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Tell them to go read their commissioning certificate and oath of office.
Great way to score beer! 
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:31 am to Rex)
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An extremist group used the chaos over the video as an opportunity to attack.
Because extremist groups walk around with 82mm mortars and RPG-7s in their back pockets all the time.
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:32 am to USMCTiger03)
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Who would have something to gain from the American people not knowing AQ involvement was suspected from the beginning? Was there some event coming up that the information could have reflected poorly on someone's lack of preparedness or performance??
I think the bigger question lies in who ultimately supplied the weapons used in the attack, not necessarily that AQ was involved. That, coupled with Obama's relationships with certain groups would have, and remains the real time bomb
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SECSolomonGrundy
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:33 am to themunch)
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watergate level no its not.... its much worse imo
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Decatur
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:33 am to jonboy)
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Q: Did he say why it was taken out of the talking points that [the attack] was Al Qaeda affiliated?
KING: He didn’t know.
Q: He didn’t know? What do you mean he didn’t know?
KING: They were not involved — it was done, the process was completed and they said, “Ok go with those talking points.” Again it’s interagency — I got the impression that 7, 8, 9 different agencies.
Q: Did he give you the impression that he was upset it was taken out?
KING: No.
Q: You said the CIA said “OK” to the revised report –
KING: No, well, they said in that, after it goes through the process, they OK’d it to go. Yeah, they said “Okay for it to go.”
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:33 am to Rex)
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Because, for the millionth time, there was never any "either or". An extremist group used the chaos over the video as an opportunity to attack.
I hope not all extremist groups have RPGs. If so, we are all fricked.
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BugAC
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:34 am to Rex)
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Because, for the millionth time, there was never any "either or". An extremist group used the chaos over the video as an opportunity to attack.
So the fact that it was 9/11 had no significance whatsoever?
I know you are that stupid, but really?
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ripper88
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| re: Petraeus - CIA Talking points altered by administration (Posted on 11/16/12 at 11:34 am to Decatur)
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Because there was a lot of intel pointing to it
But there was also intel pointed to organized terrorist. Even if you beleive the classified angle and that they were being cautious, you have to question running w/ the video story.
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