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It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees

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U.S.News & World Report
$5 Trillion Price Tag for Public Pensions
By Philip Moeller
Nov 8, 2012


As strapped state and local governments scramble for ways to balance their budgets, it's become very clear that it will be impossible for many to honor their pension promises to new employees and even current retirees. According to a recent economic study, the cost to fully fund these promises would cost taxpayers $5 trillion over a 30-year period, or nearly $1,400 a year in higher state and local taxes and fees for every household in the country.

Put another way, contributions to pay for public employees' retirement benefits now total 5.7 percent a year of all state and local taxes, fees, and other government charges. "Government contributions to state and local pension systems must rise to 14.1 percent" to produce fully funded pension systems, the study said, and it will take 30 years to get there.

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They also studied other possible outcomes, including different combinations of the kinds of pension cutbacks that are already being tried in some states. The results were not encouraging for taxpayers. For example, in what they say has come to be known as a "soft freeze," some states are moving new employees out of guaranteed, defined-benefit pensions and into defined-contribution plans similar to private-sector 401(k) accounts. If all new state and local government employees were forced to use such defined-contribution plans, the study found, average household taxes would still rise by more than $1,200 a year.

Adopting a much harsher "hard freeze" policy would stop all future benefit increases. No benefits would be revoked, but they would not grow over time to reflect an employee's rising salary or added years of service. Having frozen future pension liabilities, their study assumes states and localities would add a new defined-contribution plan and would need to make employer contributions into that plan. This approach would reduce annual taxpayer increases to $800--a figure still above what many taxpayers would tolerate.

The alternative strategy, of course, is to reduce the retirement promises made to public employees. And that is what most people expect will happen to state and local government pensions.

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XKEnut
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
That's just too f-ing bad.. I feel their pain.


SmackoverHawg
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
I have to my own pension and their's. I'm not guaranteed shite except what I provide for myself, so F$%K'em!! Hate it for them but when the money is gone, it's gone.


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lsuroadie
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
They just need more money....

C'mon just a little more taxes will solve our problem


Newbomb Turk
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
Just another example of unions in cahoots with Democrat politicians. During the faux "negotiations," no one was representing the taxpayers' interests. THIS is what the whole Wisconsin bullsh!t was all about.
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
That's why your 401k is becoming... not fair.


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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
Government guarantees, guarantee nothing.

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XKEnut
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Just another example of unions in cahoots with Democrat politicians. During the faux "negotiations," no one was representing the taxpayers' interests. THIS is what the whole Wisconsin bullsh!t was all about.




Nope, just buying votes and muscle.


Newbomb Turk
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
When these municipalities start going bankrupt, all of these municipal union pensioners are going to cry like little b!tches and argue that their pensions should be guaranteed and citizens should be taxed at whatever level they need to be taxed to pay these pension.

However, they should be cut off. When they made these sweetheart deals, they should of known that it was "too good to be true." They should be treated just like Enron employees -- you got in bed with the wrong employer.
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ShoeBang
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
If they decide to fire all the useless state and municipal employees first, I'll agree to the tax.

Community organizers?
Assistant Office Administrators? Lol the secretary has a secretary. I've heard about that kind of shite.


Topisawtiger
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
Man this board is full of a bunch of cold, heartless bastids!

Me like. :-)


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Tigah in the ATL
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It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
it sucks for the retirees, but no one should expect their pension to actually show up.


wryder1
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
Tiger is ATL,
Nobody should expect their pension to show up but some worthless piece of shite should expect his entitlement to show. Why are those that worked and earned their stuff have to sacrifice while the lazy and worthless get welfare, housing, transportation, a free phone, free groceries and now free healthcare.
They should be the ones "not expecting anything".


dinosaur
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
I totally agree. Why is it so hard to consider cutting back on people who did nothing to earn their check while talking about crushing someone who worked their whole life and now,when they simply can't go back to work, can be screwed.

But like a lot of political statements, there are exceptions. Government employees who set their own pay and pensions (as in some of the California municipal situations) should be cut off. What they did was near to criminal. But some poor old lady who taught school for 40 years should not lose her pension unless there is absolutely no other choice. Of course, a lot of this becomes moral choices and we haven't had a real good track record of good moral choices in this country in the last couple of decades.


LSURussian
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
I've never been given a reasonable answer why public employees need separate pension plans apart from Social Security.

Those plans should be frozen and every public employee put into Social Security just like the rest of us.


prplhze2000
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
Mississippi's plan is only 58% funded. The retirees get an automatic 3% raise every year and THAT raise is compounded for each retiree after three years. The deficit between contributions from employer/employees and benefit payments is $600 million.

Yet they shriek if you mention doing anything.


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Politiceaux
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
The real battle in states going forward is unions vs. fiscal reality. Most other issues are just noise.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
can't wait to pay for this

#frickedGeneration


KeyserSoze999
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re: It's Become Clear States Will Not Be Able to Honor Pension Promises to Retirees
definately not fair that some "rich" people should have 401k's while others are left holding their own ass. Since somone made a promise, the only solution is to let Obama hold everyone's retirement and distribute it according to the code of what is fair. We can't discriminate.


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Tigah in the ATL


You are a leech.


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