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MrTide33
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they shouldnt have to be punished because of someone's else wants to impose their belief system on them.


So you're against abortion then? An unborn child shouldn't be punished for somebody's belief that it is not a life/ not as worthy of life






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MrTide33
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If you punch me in the nuts it = assault If I punch my self in the nuts it =/= assault Who is protecting my nuts???


Your nuts are not a baby. Who is protecting your nuts? The law protects you from everybody else. If you want to be an idiot and punch your own nuts, go right ahead. But a human life inside your body is not






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MrTide33
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MrTide,my sister did not need an excuse for getting the abortion. For her & the 100000's of us who share the same opinion bout rape based pregnancies, it was common sense. The rapist was a drug head homeless animal with the IQ of a pea.


Despite what you believe, nobody wants to condemn your sister. I wish you could see we are not trying to blame your sister for aborting her child, but we are saying, if it was a living human being, that taking it's innocent life away for the circumstances of its conception is not the right thing to do. I'm trying to be sensitive to your situation and I feel most of the others are as well, and youre dragging us through the mud like we're being judgmental. We're not. We are simply stating that we believe taking innocent life is wrong in all cases, including your sisters. What we are not saying is that she should go to jail or hell or that shes an awful person. She was put in an awful situation. She is a victim too. We know that keltic. So please try to see where we're coming from






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MrTide33
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This is where your bible and my opinion differ


This really needs to stop. Some pro-lifers quote scripture. It's pointless. The Bible does not single out the moment a human life begins. No more arguing against the Bible. It gets unfairly cited, by both sides, as stating when life begins when it clearly does not. This is a purely scientific question. Morality and ethics do not join in until the human life begins, with the argument then being about whether or not its ever right to take innocent life






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Despite what you believe, nobody wants to condemn your sister. I wish you could see we are not trying to blame your sister for aborting her child, but we are saying, if it was a living human being, that taking it's innocent life away for the circumstances of its conception is not the right thing to do. I'm trying to be sensitive to your situation and I feel most of the others are as well, and youre dragging us through the mud like we're being judgmental. We're not. We are simply stating that we believe taking innocent life is wrong in all cases, including your sisters. What we are not saying is that she should go to jail or hell or that shes an awful person. She was put in an awful situation. She is a victim too. We know that keltic. So please try to see where we're coming from


no.

The place you are coming from is you can never feel the horror his sister did on that fricking terrible day in her life. You will never have to look in the mirror like she does every day to be reminded of what that bastard did to her.

See you can never walk a day in her shoes and you are completely clueless about what you are talking about.

but then again.

most people who read your crap already know that.



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ShortyRob
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I aint reading this whole thread. But, that said, I'm going to say I am "pro life" to use the generic term and I do not call abortion "murder".

I personally think that the term "murder" is used by both sides as a way of alarming and is frankly a blunt tool to address the subject.

I think the discussion is a good bit more complicated than that and that the use of the word "murder" is a function of the fact that not all things have effective language to describe them.







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MrTide33
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The place you are coming from is you can never feel the horror his sister did on that fricking terrible day in her life. You will never have to look in the mirror like she does every day to be reminded of what that bastard did to her. See you can never walk a day in her shoes and you are completely clueless about what you are talking about. but then again.


Alright.. I'm really starting to get pretty fricking tired of this. Just because you can't read my sympathy, don't start acting like I'm being disrespectful in any way. You're right. I don't have a clue what it's like to walk in her shoes. I don't. Nobody that hasn't been violently raped could. I do not make any claims to know the ridiculous grief she has to go through. But my position is that innocent human life cannot be taken at any point by anybody in any circumstance, despite how horrific it is. I have in no way attacked this woman's character or keltictiger. That an absolute load of crap






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OMLandshark
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Anyone who is against abortion in a rape is a twat, douche, a-hole, and a prick. Let's see your sister get raped and see how you handle it if she gets raped. If she goes through with it and has the child, then everytime she looks at the child, she's going to be reminded of the time she was brutally raped. frick anyone who is against abortion in that case.





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Alright.. I'm really starting to get pretty fricking tired of this. Just because you can't read my sympathy, don't start acting like I'm being disrespectful in any way. You're right. I don't have a clue what it's like to walk in her shoes. I don't. Nobody that hasn't been violently raped could. I do not make any claims to know the ridiculous grief she has to go through. But my position is that innocent human life cannot be taken at any point by anybody in any circumstance, despite how horrific it is. I have in no way attacked this woman's character or keltictiger. That an absolute load of crap



No, you're an absolute load of crap, your misogyny is astounding. I bet you would change your tone quickly if your daughter was brutally raped.



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ShortyRob
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No, you're an absolute load of crap, your misogyny is astounding. I bet you would change your tone quickly if your daughter was brutally raped.

I happen to disagree with him but I don't think you're grasping his position either.

If one genuinely considers the unborn child to be equivalent to a 2 year old baby, then it would be irrational to be FOR abortion in the case of rape. I would hope people could grasp that.







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Shoebang, thank you for strengthening my resolve to fight people like you in every/any way I can. But, to be fair, your opinion that my sister is a murderer is, quite apparently, shared by most if not all pro lifers here. Let me tell you a bit bout this murderer you so cold heartedly condemn. She has her PhD in psychology, works as a volunteer at Carville, the leprosy colony, has a minor in music & played the piano & sax extremely well, was a 3 sport star in highschool with 2 collegiate offers for vollyball, volunteers to work with vets who have suffered loss of memory capabilty thru the VA facilities in N.O. A great wife, mother, sister, and daughter. When she was brutalized over a period of 2 days, she lost her right eye; every bone in her right hand was smashed with a hammer to where she can no longer play any musical instrument; her vagina took 2 plastic surgeons 6 hrs to restore to somewhat normal. And more. But, to you, she is a murderer. I am an educated man & have no need to use vulgarities, but screw you, a.hole. for your sancitmonious & self rightious opinions. Come down out of your ivory tower & live in the real world for a change.



Your sister is in my prayers. I am very sorry this happened, and anyone who reads this and is still against abortions in all cases is a sociopathic POS.






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MrTide33
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If she goes through with it and has the child, then everytime she looks at the child, she's going to be reminded of the time she was brutally raped. frick anyone who is against abortion in that case.


LINK

The above link is an article written by a bipartisan woman that was raped.

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Let's see your sister get raped and see how you handle it if she gets raped.


I have three sisters, and you best believe I'd be furious about it. Keltictiger's sister went through an unimaginable trauma. People assuming that because I care about the life of an unborn child means I don't give a frick about raped women do not know a thing about me and may be taking out frustration about others on me because I have CLEARLY been sympathetic in every post I've posted






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OMLandshark
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If one genuinely considers the unborn child to be equivalent to a 2 year old baby, then it would be irrational to be FOR abortion in the case of rape. I would hope people could grasp that.



People are too extreme with the issue. Its not murder, but its not good either. I hate abortion, but I see its necessity in society. I am more reluctantly pro-choice because its going to happen anyway, and there are extremely brutal acts that make it 100% justifiable.






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MrTide33
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I happen to disagree with him but I don't think you're grasping his position either. If one genuinely considers the unborn child to be equivalent to a 2 year old baby, then it would be irrational to be FOR abortion in the case of rape. I would hope people could grasp that.


thank you very much. You're a voice of reason. I may not blow my top now

It's really fricking tough when people ignore everything you say and call you names and say ridiculous crap for no reason. Thank you again






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ShortyRob
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People are too extreme with the issue. Its not murder, but its not good either. I hate abortion, but I see its necessity in society. I am more reluctantly pro-choice because its going to happen anyway, and there are extremely brutal acts that make it 100% justifiable.
That's all fine but other people think differently and if they think a baby in the womb = a baby outside the womb, then it would be ridiculous to be for abortion in cases of rape or incest. You wouldn't be for punishing the child for who his father is.

Again, I'm merely pointing out that this "you're a shitty person because you would want my sister to carry a rape baby" is kind of missing the point.

Personally, I'm a bit of a fence sitter on it. My attitude is that with the advent of the morning after pill, just take that if raped. End of story. BUT, if you waited ill 18 weeks after being raped, I'm a little more queesy about it.






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OMLandshark
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I have three sisters, and you best believe I'd be furious about it. Keltictiger's sister went through an unimaginable trauma. People assuming that because I care about the life of an unborn child means I don't give a frick about raped women do not know a thing about me and may be taking out frustration about others on me because I have CLEARLY been sympathetic in every post I've posted



I know that Christian two-faced, judgmental, holier-than-thou posting attitude that you are using. This is just one issue where I have to conclude the person is an absolute douchebag and delusional if they are against someone getting an abortion in that situation. Misogyny at its finest. Nothing can give me the red-ass quite like douchebags who want to make abortion illegal in all circumstances.






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OMLandshark
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Again, I'm merely pointing out that this "you're a shitty person because you would want my sister to carry a rape baby" is kind of missing the point.



I think they're missing the point, since they are so completely disconnected from horrifying scenarios that they don't even take the time to consider what they would actually do given the situation. Its just that bull shite answer in that Jesus wanted you to get brutally raped in order for you to sire a bastard who will every moment of every day be a constant reminder in what that man did to you. These people are completely deluded and absolute loons.






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MrTide33
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I know that Christian two-faced, judgmental, holier-than-thou posting attitude that you are using. This is just one issue where I have to conclude the person is an absolute douchebag and delusional if they are against someone getting an abortion in that situation


Wow. Just wow. My posts have been judgemental? Please, expalin. Simply calling me a judgemental, two-faced, holier-than-thou douchebag does nothing






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OMLandshark
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we aren't living in some ivory title, the simple fact is NOTHING justifies the killing of an innocent human being.

would you be ok with a women killing her 3 year old that reminded her of her rapist, and therefore made her life a living hell remembering what happened?

I understand your sister is the victim in all of this, we as the pro life movement isn't going to just make her have her baby and then just ignore her, and also we aren't just going to condemn people who where rapped and got pregnant.

All I'm trying to show you is that nothing justifies the killing of an innocent human life. Its a hard pill to swallow in light of your case but what is the unborn guilty of why should it be punished for something it had nothing to do with.

again I am concerned about the needs of the women, its not an either or, but we can't ignore the unborn, and nothing justifies the killing of an unborn.

to prove my point can you think of a situation where someone who has done nothing wrong can be justly killed. Think of people after they are born.


I mean this most sincerely: Go frick yourself. frick you, you sexist, delusional, sociopath. Guess Jesus wanted her to get brutally raped in order to sire the son of a crackhead. I can't stand people like you.






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OMLandshark
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Wow. Just wow. My posts have been judgemental? Please, expalin. Simply calling me a judgemental, two-faced, holier-than-thou douchebag does nothing



You can't have that opinion without being one. Your opinion by default is judgmental, you use posts that completely negate your previous noted sympathy (hence being two faced), and your holier-than-thou is pretty much saying you are better than doing what that guy did in the same situation.






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