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Bmath 
LSU Fan
TX
Member since Aug 2010
2942 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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I prefer it to welfare. At least 20 hours a week doing something productive.
What about so called "under employed" people that get gov assistance?
Those that can't effectively work a second job.
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FightinTiger 
Georgia Tech Fan
wat
Member since Oct 2003
7669 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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Spoken like a true liberal.
What's funny is that by almost any PoliBoard poster's standards, I'm a liberal.
I'm just consistent in my defense of civil liberties.
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texashorn
Member since May 2008
1089 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:56 pm to FightinTiger)
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I don't think people understand probable cause and consent. I also think it's bull shite that you can be charged with a DWI for NOT blowing.
My mom was killed by a drunk driver. I don't want anyone driving drunk, but how is refusal to consent to a search EVER grounds for charging someone?
Because you already consented to the search when you applied for your drivers license and signed the application. It's called "implied consent," and oftentimes, it's not merely implied, it's codified into law.
Louisiana drivers license application contains the following:
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DECLARATION OF INTENT
By my signature affixed below, I certify under penalty of law, that: (7) I hereby give my consent, under the provisions of R.S. 32:661 et. Seq., to take a chemical test to determine the presence of alcohol or a controlled dangerous substance in my blood while operating a motor vehicle, if requested to do so by a law enforcement officer.
DATE SIGNATURE OF APPLICANT
dps.louisiana.gov
By law:
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§661. Operating a vehicle under the influence of alcoholic beverages or illegal substance or controlled dangerous substances; implied consent to chemical tests; administering of test and presumptions
A.(1) Any person, regardless of age, who operates a motor vehicle upon the public highways of this state shall be deemed to have given consent, subject to the provisions of R.S. 32:662, to a chemical test or tests of his blood, breath, urine, or other bodily substance for the purpose of determining the alcoholic content of his blood, and the presence of any abused substance or controlled dangerous substance as set forth in R.S. 40:964 in his blood if arrested for any offense arising out of acts alleged to have been committed while the person was driving or in actual physical control of a motor vehicle while believed to be under the influence of alcoholic beverages or any abused substance or controlled dangerous substance as set forth in R.S. 40:964.
state.la.us
Also, you don't have to blow to be charged because the law gives police in Louisiana (and other states) discretion in the definition of intoxicated.
For example (notice the "or"):
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§98. Operating a vehicle while intoxicated
A.(1) The crime of operating a vehicle while intoxicated is the operating of any motor vehicle, aircraft, watercraft, vessel, or other means of conveyance when:
(a) The operator is under the influence of alcoholic beverages; or
(b) The operator's blood alcohol concentration is 0.08 percent or more by weight based on grams of alcohol per one hundred cubic centimeters of blood
state.la.us
Texas:
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(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.
state.tx.us
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texashorn
Member since May 2008
1089 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 3:02 pm to texashorn)
P.S. -- I kind of take issue with the OP's title of this thread, "Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits."
This issue is far from being the law of the state; a couple of politicians (albeit the Gov and Lt Gov) have spouted off their support, that's all... it's up to the Legislature, which convenes in January.
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TheBiggestSpur 
South Carolina Fan
Member since Oct 2012
1049 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 3:08 pm to ChemE in the OP)
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A truly fulfilling pursuit in life.
A job is a job. Someone has to flip burgers and maintain the landfill.
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BTHog 
Arkansas Fan
Member since Jul 2012
7155 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 3:11 pm to TheBiggestSpur)
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A job is a job. Someone has to flip burgers and maintain the landfill.
True dat. I don't look down on anyone who has a job, no matter what that job is. Pathetic that some do.
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TX Tiger
LSU Fan
at home
Member since Jan 2004
15408 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 3:12 pm to Bmath)
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Would you board a commercial flight that did not screen passengers?
Did it for decades. Only by the grace of God am I still here today to tell about it.
Well, me and the hundreds of millions of others who did the same.
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Bmath
LSU Fan
TX
Member since Aug 2010
2942 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 3:34 pm to TX Tiger)
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Did it for decades. Only by the grace of God am I still here today to tell about it. Well, me and the hundreds of millions of others who did the same.
It is funny how you try and belittle me, but you don't copy the part where I said a precedence has been set.
I know that there hasn't always been security, but when airplanes started being targeted then security increased.
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BTHog
Arkansas Fan
Member since Jul 2012
7155 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 4:07 pm to TX Tiger)
Good god why is honest debate so hard?
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SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
1416 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:10 pm to bradybones24)
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If you don't like the search then stop flying...nobody's forcing you to do that...and if you don't like blowing into a device when suspected of drinking and driving then stop driving or drinking and driving.
There is a right to travel freely in this country and it does not include being forced to consent to a search.
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Bmath
LSU Fan
TX
Member since Aug 2010
2942 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:07 pm to SECSolomonGrundy)
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There is a right to travel freely in this country and it does not include being forced to consent to a search.
This keeps popping up on here, but no one offers suggestions on how to keep the crazies from bringing weapons onto planes.
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tigernchicago
LSU Fan
Illinois
Member since Sep 2003
3833 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:09 pm to baytiger)
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it's been done before and it costs more money than it saves
Where is your link????
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JohnnyKilroy 
North Carolina Fan
Member since Oct 2012
5148 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:10 pm to tigernchicago)
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Where is your link????
all over this thread and on the google
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tigernchicago
LSU Fan
Illinois
Member since Sep 2003
3833 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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JohnnyKilroy
I asked for a link after the other idiot said the drug testing would cost more than the welfare benefits.
There is no refute to the comments stated below:
Drug test cost...$50
Welfare average - $188 per month
Food stamp average - $526 per month
$714 dollars a month savings.
Change the law so that if you fail, minimum two months wait before retaking.
If you fail, then you go to a food bank or you don't eat for two months.
$1428 versus $50....it would only take 1 in 28 to fail to break even...
I'd say this could work..good business.
These people should be held to the same standard as government employees...because they are so.
So go suck some balls, asshat.
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JohnnyKilroy
North Carolina Fan
Member since Oct 2012
5148 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:21 pm to tigernchicago)
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$1428 versus $50....it would only take 1 in 28 to fail to break even...
I'd say this could work..good business.
When it's been tried in the past it, only 1 in 38 got their benefits canceled.
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So go suck some balls, asshat.
Yep, you mad.
This post was edited on 11/15 at 10:23 pm
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wallowinit 
New Orleans Saints Fan
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
5893 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:28 pm to baytiger)
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costs more money than it saves
if this is the case then they're doing it wrong.
but i don't believe this is the case
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JazzyJeff
Saints and Tigers Fan
Member since Sep 2006
1739 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:30 pm to rsande2)
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I think this is a good idea
as do all dip shits.
Requiring someone to take a drug screen before they can buy food is asinine. And all Americans should be against this.
They same goes for pre-employment screening as well.
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BTHog
Arkansas Fan
Member since Jul 2012
7155 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:32 pm to JazzyJeff)
More dishonest debate? No one is suggesting they cant buy food if they're using drugs.
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JazzyJeff
Saints and Tigers Fan
Member since Sep 2006
1739 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:41 pm to BTHog)
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More dishonest debate? No one is suggesting they cant buy food if they're using drugs.
you missed the point
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ironsides
LSU Fan
new york, ny
Member since May 2006
4406 posts
| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:47 pm to JazzyJeff)
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Requiring someone to take a drug screen before they can buy food is asinine. And all Americans should be against this.
Nobody is requiring them to take a test before they buy food - they can get a job and pay for it themselves
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