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Scoop 
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| Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:38 pm)
Don't listen to Rush these days but a transcript from a caller got me thinking.
Putting a laser on the mortar position and not having anything in the air is not something former SEALS would do. It gives away your position for no reason.
Makes me think we had assets in the air that Ty was in communication with and they got the stand down order.
Think about it. Those dudes were beyond expert. Why would they light up a position with a laser out of hope?
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kingbob
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:41 pm to Scoop)
It's easy they were told Help Is On the Way.
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papasmurf1269
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:42 pm to Scoop)
Those people were left with their dicks hanging in the breeze.
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CamdenTiger
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:44 pm to Scoop)
You have a good point. Weird that they would light it up, without assets present...Unless they were out of ammo, and trying to scare them away....
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JWS3 
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:46 pm to Scoop)
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Makes me think we had assets in the air that Ty was in communication with and they got the stand down order.
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There was a Marine rescue team helicopter in the area engaged in a fire fight with the "protesters" at the embassy safe house. The Marines were there to rescue 37 Americans that made it to the safe house. There is a lot to this story thta is not making it into the MSM reports.
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KosmoCramer 
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:49 pm to CamdenTiger)
I don't know anything about laser designators.
What happens when they light up a target? Do they automatically give up their position? I thought I read somewhere it was only an issue that they don't want you to light up a target because you have to put your gun down, not that it gives away your position.
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wavebreaker
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:53 pm to JWS3)
A very rarely referenced story. Was it accurate or early "fog of war"?
Some big reveals to come out soon.
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:54 pm to JWS3)
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There was a Marine rescue team helicopter in the area engaged in a fire fight with the "protesters" at the embassy safe house. The Marines were there to rescue 37 Americans that made it to the safe house. There is a lot to this story thta is not making it into the MSM reports.
Your link is form a story written in September 12th, IE when no one really knew what was going on and there was still lots of confusion. the reference to dead Americans on a rescue team is clearly talking about the rescue team from the annex and the team that arrived from tripoli, the ones that were known.
AS to a laser, this keeps popping up and maybe if you guys say it enough it will be true, but I doubt it. What has been said, and what will continue to be said is that the two seals were on the roof of the annex observing when about 5:15 AM, 8 hours after the attack began and about 4 hours after the last shooting, someone started launching mortar rounds. Until they opened up no one knew that they were there.
There was no position to give away because the enemy already knew where they were, in the annex.
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GallatinTiger
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:55 pm to JWS3)
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There is a lot to this story that is not making it into the MSM reports
Yep...
and unfortunately it won't change, although they can take their feet off the breaks a little since the election has come and gone and we're stuck with 4 more years of this crap.
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Scoop
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:57 pm to KosmoCramer)
The source of the laser designator would be visible. The designator would only need to be used once the bombs are missiles were over-head.
I have a hard time believing former seals were lighting up the target out of hope for change.
I think they were in communication with assets that were not allowed to fire.
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Cold Pizza
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 9:58 pm to KosmoCramer)
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What happens when they light up a target? Do they automatically give up their position?
The light is reflected and picked up by a smartbomb on the way down from a plane. The beam or reflected light can't be seen with the naked eye.
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:21 pm to Scoop)
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I think they were in communication with assets that were not allowed to fire.
What else makes sense?
Does the Libyan military have Copperheads? Doubt it and I doubt we were coordinating that closely.
Drones? Expected inbound assets from Italy? But you wouldn't illuminate unless a fire control center or other coordination point requested it.
So your conclusion is the only one I have not rejected. There must have been assets prepared to fire and requested (or the fire controllers requested) target illumination, and the fire mission was never cleared by the release authority. Nothing else is nearly as likely as this.
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 10:32 pm to Scoop)
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I have a hard time believing former seals were lighting up the target out of hope for change.
I think they were in communication with assets that were not allowed to fire.
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Purpleye
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:01 pm to wavebreaker)
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wavebreaker
Your posts are eerily similar to another "contributor" we had on this board not long ago. Seems he disappeared the day after you registered.
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:08 pm to Ace Midnight)
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What else makes sense?
how about they weren't firing lasers at all?
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KosmoCramer
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What is this leak coming from that said he painted the target?
I don't see anything credible from a quick google search.
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Ace Midnight
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/16/12 at 7:11 am to KosmoCramer)
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What is this leak coming from that said he painted the target?
I don't see anything credible from a quick google search.
FWIW - I've been hearing this since very early in the reporting.
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:22 am to Scoop)
Unless someone is wearing a night vision device that can "see" ambient light, the laser device will not be detected by the naked eye.
Just so you know.
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Mid Iowa Tiger 
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:46 am to KosmoCramer)
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I don't know anything about laser designators.
What happens when they light up a target? Do they automatically give up their position? I thought I read somewhere it was only an issue that they don't want you to light up a target because you have to put your gun down, not that it gives away your position.
I know a few things (I used them often back in the day). They do not give away your position (except you have to be a bit more exposed to get on target). You do have to choose between the laser and your primary weapon though which in an active firefight is not a choice to be made lightly.
Also, and this is the biggest thing - YOU DO NOT USE ONE UNLESS YOU HAVE ASSETS AVAILABLE. What that means is there was SOMETHING in the immediate AO that could utilize the laser to target.
It could have also been a laser for calculating GPS coordinates utilized in GPS guided munitions such as a cruise missle, JDAMs, etc.
One way or another that operator believed strongly enough there was a use for determining the position of the mortar team, strongly enough that he put down his primary weapon and lite the target up.
Then he was left to hang out to dry and died.
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CITWTT
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| re: Caller to Rush today... (Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:51 am to KosmoCramer)
Look at the nice red light coming from afar pointed at us. Yeah they do give your poition away.
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