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This doesn't pass the smell test. Why is the US Ambassador to the UN receiving talking points directly scripted from the CIA? Talking points from the White House with CIA input sure, but directly from the CIA? The whole thing has white house deniability built into it and reads more like a carefully crafted political defense strategy.

1) The president asserts that he knew and acknowledged it as a terrorist attack from day one BASED, supposedly, on early CIA intel.

**Why is that omitted in this so called brief?

2) CIA asserts it knew within 24 hours that said attack was not a "Spontaneous Event".

**CIA is the source of said brief so why is that fact contradicted in it?

3) White House press Sec. stated and I quote "We have NO information to suggest this was a preplanned attack." "Our initial information, and that includes ALL information....we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack." LINK

**The CIA now refutes those statements as being accurate (it knew within 24hrs). Yet, the opposite of what we now know as fact is "suggested" in the "CIA talking points". What motivation would an intelligence agency have for doing that?

4) The CIA talking points mention the attack on its Annex.

**for some reason that fact wasn't disclosed to the public until much much later....not until the oversight committee hearings. Why?


Soooo many questions!!






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Decatur
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Why is the US Ambassador to the UN receiving talking points directly scripted from the CIA? Talking points from the White House with CIA input sure, but directly from the CIA?


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I can't post the whole thing lest you or Chicken get upset with me posting the full article
Bandwidth issues. Fact of life for a forum with this many members.

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I have no doubt you feel that way
I'm shocked that you don't feel that way.

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The CIA's talking points read as follows:



(a) The CIA doesn't issue talking points. Period. End of discussion.

and (b) are you stupid enough to actually buy this line of BS?



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it appears to have been hastily planned and executed by a rag tag group that was inspired by the protests in Egypt and around the Mid East earlier in the day (protests that were a reaction to the Innocence of Muslims video)

so it wasn't a terrorist act?






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it appears to have been hastily planned and executed by a rag tag group that was inspired by the protests in Egypt and around the Mid East earlier in the day (protests that were a reaction to the Innocence of Muslims video)
so it wasn't a terrorist act?











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Decatur
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so it wasn't a terrorist act?


What is it about a "terrorist act" that must necessarily imply a large amount of time planning?






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What is it about a "terrorist act" that must necessarily imply a large amount of time planning?

most everything to do with terrorist attacks

how many terrorist attacks can you remember that were spontaneous? especially ones that end up being so successful?

i mean these guys had mortars and shite. you don't just stumble upon mortars






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What is it about a "terrorist act" that must necessarily imply a large amount of time planning?

Oh, man . . . . . you did not geaux there, did you?


Susan Rice?






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you might want to check the link i posted, mortars came with attack #2, not #1

edit: LINK



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most everything to do with terrorist attacks how many terrorist attacks can you remember that were spontaneous? especially ones that end up being so successful?


So where is your support that this thing had been planned for longer than a couple of hours, or even a day. I'll consider info from reliable sources if you can provide it.

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i mean these guys had mortars and shite. you don't just stumble upon mortars


In Benghazi you can. How long ago did the civil war end? How many active militias do they have there now?






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So where is your support that this thing had been planned for longer than a couple of hours, or even a day.

so we're just assuming this is the biggest outlier terrorist act in the history of mankind?

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I'll consider info from reliable sources if you can provide it.

the 2 sides of the media are only looking at (1) defending Obama and releasing everything they can to overload the "protest" excuse or (2) overly criticizing Obama's response. this isn't exactly media's finest hour

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How many active militias do they have there now?

so why haven't we responded?






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It is you that fails to recognize or see the bias of sources after being given the outragenous of examples of that idea. Go back to your scrotum pleasures of the Oboe. BTW go take a peek at Dan Rathers reporting of the NEWS.





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DCI talking points, or briefs, that were given to the president and white house staff. The administration has the final say on how or if that info is disseminated to the public as it always does. To suggest agencies are issuing talking points regarding national security to be read for direct public consumption is fricking retarded. The administration should and would want to control the message, which this admin is all but obsessed with having. There is no way in hell the wording of those talking points regarding the events surrounding the assassination of a US diplomat received zero input from the white house.


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Who that someone was (in the CIA) and why they gave her the story she told is what this is all about.



Who wants to hazard a guess it was Petraeus? (Or that's who will take the blame, anyway.)






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Decatur
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so we're just assuming this is the biggest outlier terrorist act in the history of mankind?


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the 2 sides of the media are only looking at (1) defending Obama and releasing everything they can to overload the "protest" excuse or (2) overly criticizing Obama's response. this isn't exactly media's finest hour


So you don't have any support yet. That's ok I can wait. Maybe some new info will come out that you can use. Who knows?

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so why haven't we responded?


Huh. You mean send in ground troops? btw some of these militias are friendly to us.

You'd be making a flimsy assumption to think that city is not stacked with weapons of all kinds.






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i actually work in comms and one of the things i do is.........
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Thought you were in cyber security.
well now you know what role i currently do in cyber security
Wow.







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So you don't have any support yet.

neither of us have any direct information about the attacks. let's not go raising the media to deity status

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You'd be making a flimsy assumption to think that city is not stacked with weapons of all kinds.

artillery in the hands of our enemies is PROBABLY one of those things we try to regulate. i doubt that kind of weaponry is easily accessible, let alone easily mobile

so within an hour or so after these protests start, some random guys go to the get the artillery from its hidden spot. get it out. move it. and then set it up for accuracy. in the midst of a protest. that seems like the luckiest set of events ever or a planned, intentional attack






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NC_Tigah
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So you don't have any support yet.
Good Lord Decatur, that's awful.






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1) The president asserts that he knew and acknowledged it as a terrorist attack from day one BASED, supposedly, on early CIA intel. **Why is that omitted in this so called brief?

4) The CIA talking points mention the attack on its Annex. **for some reason that fact wasn't disclosed to the public until much much later....not until the oversight committee hearings. Why?


I can not believe the stupidity of some people, terrorist attack just means violence with a political aim. Nothing in that definition suggest it has to be pre planned. It can arise using the cover of a spontaneous protest and still be a terrorist attack.

I am not sure what coverage you were reading but basically everything referred to an attack at a second location. Here is a story from the NYtimes on 9/12 I believe it is their first main story about it. LINK

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It took another hour — until 11:20 — before American and Libyan forces recaptured the main building and evacuated the entire staff to an annex nearly a mile away. The militants followed and the fighting continued there until 2:30 a.m. Wednesday, when Libyan security reinforcements arrived and managed to gain control of both compounds.
Note the discussion of attacks at an annex a mile away.






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