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Keltic Tiger
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Shoebang, thank you for strengthening my resolve to fight people like you in every/any way I can. But, to be fair, your opinion that my sister is a murderer is, quite apparently, shared by most if not all pro lifers here. Let me tell you a bit bout this murderer you so cold heartedly condemn. She has her PhD in psychology, works as a volunteer at Carville, the leprosy colony, has a minor in music & played the piano & sax extremely well, was a 3 sport star in highschool with 2 collegiate offers for vollyball, volunteers to work with vets who have suffered loss of memory capabilty thru the VA facilities in N.O. A great wife, mother, sister, and daughter. When she was brutalized over a period of 2 days, she lost her right eye; every bone in her right hand was smashed with a hammer to where she can no longer play any musical instrument; her vagina took 2 plastic surgeons 6 hrs to restore to somewhat normal. And more. But, to you, she is a murderer. I am an educated man & have no need to use vulgarities, but screw you, a.hole. for your sancitmonious & self rightious opinions. Come down out of your ivory tower & live in the real world for a change.





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asurob1
Florida State Fan
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Shoebang, thank you for strengthening my resolve to fight people like you in every/any way I can. But, to be fair, your opinion that my sister is a murderer is, quite apparently, shared by most if not all pro lifers here. Let me tell you a bit bout this murderer you so cold heartedly condemn. She has her PhD in psychology, works as a volunteer at Carville, the leprosy colony, has a minor in music & played the piano & sax extremely well, was a 3 sport star in highschool with 2 collegiate offers for vollyball, volunteers to work with vets who have suffered loss of memory capabilty thru the VA facilities in N.O. A great wife, mother, sister, and daughter. When she was brutalized over a period of 2 days, she lost her right eye; every bone in her right hand was smashed with a hammer to where she can no longer play any musical instrument; her vagina took 2 plastic surgeons 6 hrs to restore to somewhat normal. And more. But, to you, she is a murderer. I am an educated man & have no need to use vulgarities, but screw you, a.hole. for your sancitmonious & self rightious opinions. Come down out of your ivory tower & live in the real world for a change.


I am truly sorry what has happened to your sister.

It is stories like this (and others) the reason I fight so hard for pro abortion rights. Because in the real world...bad things happen to good people and they shouldnt have to be punished because of someone's else wants to impose their belief system on them.






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taylork37
Ohio State Fan
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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A sperm is a potential human being when it mixes with an egg, it goes from potentially human to actually human.


This is where your bible and my opinion differ. It is still potentially a human and not even close to one IMO.



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Keltic Tiger
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Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


MrTide,my sister did not need an excuse for getting the abortion. For her & the 100000's of us who share the same opinion bout rape based pregnancies, it was common sense. The rapist was a drug head homeless animal with the IQ of a pea.





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catholictigerfan
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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This is where your bible and my opinion differ. It is still potentially a human and not even close to one IMO.



never said the sperm is a human, all that makes it potentially human is that it could mix with an egg and become human. That gives it potential I would think.






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catholictigerfan
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It is what you believe.


cop out






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catholictigerfan
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Come down out of your ivory tower & live in the real world for a change.



we aren't living in some ivory title, the simple fact is NOTHING justifies the killing of an innocent human being.

would you be ok with a women killing her 3 year old that reminded her of her rapist, and therefore made her life a living hell remembering what happened?

I understand your sister is the victim in all of this, we as the pro life movement isn't going to just make her have her baby and then just ignore her, and also we aren't just going to condemn people who where rapped and got pregnant.

All I'm trying to show you is that nothing justifies the killing of an innocent human life. Its a hard pill to swallow in light of your case but what is the unborn guilty of why should it be punished for something it had nothing to do with.

again I am concerned about the needs of the women, its not an either or, but we can't ignore the unborn, and nothing justifies the killing of an unborn.

to prove my point can you think of a situation where someone who has done nothing wrong can be justly killed. Think of people after they are born.






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mytigger
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Member since Jan 2008
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


Not reading the whole thread but IMO it boils down to this.

If someone strikes a pregnant woman in the stomach and kills her baby they are charged with murder.

If the same woman decides to abort that baby she is not.

Seems that murder in our society as far as abortion is concerned is contingent upon the mothers so called "rights" of her body.

She wants to keep it and you kill it = murder.
She wants to kill it and does =/= not murder.

Go try and make sense of that. Who is protecting the child????







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Edearl Watson
Florida Fan
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Member since May 2012
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


Exactly.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a "child in utero" as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".


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ShoeBang
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since May 2012
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Shoebang, thank you for strengthening my resolve to fight people like you in every/any way I can. But, to be fair, your opinion that my sister is a murderer is, quite apparently, shared by most if not all pro lifers here. Let me tell you a bit bout this murderer you so cold heartedly condemn. She has her PhD in psychology, works as a volunteer at Carville, the leprosy colony, has a minor in music & played the piano & sax extremely well, was a 3 sport star in highschool with 2 collegiate offers for vollyball, volunteers to work with vets who have suffered loss of memory capabilty thru the VA facilities in N.O. A great wife, mother, sister, and daughter. When she was brutalized over a period of 2 days, she lost her right eye; every bone in her right hand was smashed with a hammer to where she can no longer play any musical instrument; her vagina took 2 plastic surgeons 6 hrs to restore to somewhat normal. And more. But, to you, she is a murderer. I am an educated man & have no need to use vulgarities, but screw you, a.hole. for your sancitmonious & self rightious opinions. Come down out of your ivory tower & live in the real world for a change.


What happened to your sister is terrible. I agree with that 100%. She did not deserve what happened, and the child that was inside of her was not there by her choice.

My heart goes out to her for the decision she was forced to make in the wake of this traumatizing crime. She is and always will be a victim.

That being said, I do believe that the pregnancy that resulted from that horrible act was a human being. That child inside your sister did not choose to be there, but alas, there it was. That is where the difference between us is. I believe that every human life has the right to be born, no matter how they are conceived.

My wife and I had tremendous trouble conceiving a child of our own. Through many months (over a year) of trying and help from the medical community, we were able to conceive without the use of in-vitro fertilization (against our beliefs). We were seriously considering adoption until she got pregnant.

Until that point, I had no strong feelings on abortion. Then I realized that one of the millions of aborted children could be my child. I would take it. I would take the burden of parenthood from someone who could not or would not handle it. Then one day, I saw my child moving on the ultra sound screen. I heard its heart beat (still waiting to see what the sex is). There is no way anyone can convince me that the child I saw was not a human being. If my wife wanted to, she could still have an abortion TODAY. She could legally kill my innocent baby boy or girl. That child that was inside your sister was just as innocent.

I believe that every fertilized human egg should be afforded the same chance I was given by my parents: the chance to live.

I feel terrible for the way my opinion & beliefs must make you feel, but it does not change them.

I sit on no ivory tower. I do not think I am better than you or your sister. I do not condemn her for the choice she made. I hurt for the fact that she had to make it. I also hurt for the innocent child who did not get a chance to experience life.

I am only motivated by the fact that I believe humanity begins at fertilization and every person, no matter the circumstances of their creation, has the right to be born and have a chance at life.

I sincerely apologize for my callous response earlier. It obviously offended you. Please accept my apology for that offense.

Thanks.



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taylork37
Ohio State Fan
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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never said the sperm is a human, all that makes it potentially human is that it could mix with an egg and become human. That gives it potential I would think.


I guess I wasnt clear enough but I was not talking about the sperm, I was talking about the fertilized egg.

The newly fertilized is still potentially human, its not even close to a human IMO.






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taylork37
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


Im stil trying to figure out how the whole person killing a mother analogy is even close to relevant. Its a seriously worthless argument.

My response to that earlier:

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We are talking about the current law in place. With that in mind, this argument is not applicable because the mother currently does have this right. A separate person does not have this right. I'm not saying the law is right, I am just saying that the validity of the argument that a person other than the mother has just as much right to end the unborn childs life under the current law is questionable.






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Edearl Watson
Florida Fan
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Member since May 2012
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Im stil trying to figure out how the whole person killing a mother analogy is even close to relevant. Its a seriously worthless argument.


The whole point of reading is the comprehension of what it is you are reading.

**The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a "child in utero" as a legal victim,**

Pay close attention to this one:

****if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".

Double standard comes into play here, doesn't it?



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asurob1
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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also we aren't just going to condemn people who where rapped and got pregnant.



I think IM going to call BS on this one CTF. We both know you do.






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catholictigerfan
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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The newly fertilized is still potentially human, its not even close to a human IMO.



so when does it go from potential to actual






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catholictigerfan
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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I think IM going to call BS on this one CTF. We both know you do.


ok so I'm going to say someone is going to hell because someone rapped her ok, believe what your going to believe ASU






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LSUSaintsHornets
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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so when does it go from potential to actual

When brain activity starts, but that's just IMO.

Not surprised this thread is still going.






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VerlanderBEAST
Michigan Fan
Member since Dec 2011
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Not reading the whole thread but IMO it boils down to this.

If someone strikes a pregnant woman in the stomach and kills her baby they are charged with murder.

If the same woman decides to abort that baby she is not.

Seems that murder in our society as far as abortion is concerned is contingent upon the mothers so called "rights" of her body.

She wants to keep it and you kill it = murder.
She wants to kill it and does =/= not murder.

Go try and make sense of that. Who is protecting the child????


If you punch me in the nuts it = assault
If I punch my self in the nuts it =/= assault

Who is protecting my nuts???



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wallowinit
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Louisiana
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


Yes. It is murder from the instant of conception.

PERIOD.






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sassyLSU
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Member since May 2011
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


Under no circumstances is an unborn baby to be killed and yes, it's called murder.





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