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LSUAce007
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Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP

Cabrera - 362 (22)
Trout - 281 (6)
Beltre - 210
Cano - 149
Hamilton - 127
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Broski
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
Good.


The Truth 34
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
thank god



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DEANintheYAY
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
BIG Trout fan, but this is the correct choice.

Had Trout not faded down the stretch AND kept Cabrera from winning the Triple Crown, then he would have had a case.



Broski
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Had Trout not faded down the stretch AND kept Cabrera from winning the Triple Crown, then he would have had a case.


The fact that Cabrera won the Crown was the killshot. If not that, then it was because Trout watched from home while Miggy played in the World Series.

22 of 28 first place votes is a blowout.


DEANintheYAY
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The fact that Cabrera won the Crown was the killshot. If not that, then it was because Trout watched from home while Miggy played in the World Series.

22 of 28 first place votes is a blowout.


Agreed. But I think the "making the playoffs" argument is a bit overrated considering Trout's team won more games than Miggy's did. And isn't voting done prior to the start of the post season? Therefore voters didn't calculate Miggy going to the WS into their decision.

It would have been *much* closer had Miggy not won the triple crown.
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hehateme2285
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The Triple Crown killed Trout.

Trout still deserved it in my opinion


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Billy Mays
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
Good now the worthless debates by the media can cease


HumbleNinja
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
Though these individual awards feel somewhat empty for me as a fan after losing in the Series, I am very happy he won something. Good for him, he deserved it.


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The Seaward
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
Not surprised. Cabrera did have a hell of a year. I still think Trout got hosed big time though.


Bunk Moreland
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Frick da Nate Silver sabermetric dungeons and dragons brigade.
Jeff Passan shills for the nouveau stat geeks.
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geauxlsu07
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@MLBONFOX: FACT: It was exactly 45 years ago today that Carl Yastrzemski won the AL MVP Award (the same year he won the #TripleCrown). #HistoryRepeats


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VerlanderBEAST
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
Funny how Cabrera wins undeserving yet Verlander is absolutely robbed.


K9
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Good.


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tduecen
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
Triple Crown doesn't guarantee MVP....
Ask Ted Williams


TigerintheNO
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
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Triple Crown doesn't guarantee MVP....
Ask Ted Williams


twice


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GreatLakesTiger24
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
it's only going to get easier for miggy next year, too


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BRUNNIN4
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
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Cabrera wins undeserving


Baloo
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re: Miguel Cabrera wins AL MVP
I thought it was a coin flip, but I've actually found the sabermetric case to be unconvincing. It's just been so antagonistic and complete dismissive that a guy who actually had a higher OPS+, Runs Created, and Adj, Batted Wins (to name a few advanced stats) had absolutely no rational case to the MVP. By way overstating the case for Trout, I found myself rooting for Miggy due to no fault of Trout.

This was the wrong windmill. There was a good statistical case for Miggy and acting like it didn't exist and that any vote for Miggy was a vote against reason or science just really turned me off. If I were a voter, I likely would've voted Miggy just out of spite (which is not fair to Trout).

I will continue to say this, though: WAR is wrong. It's not a little wrong. It's a LOT wrong.


Bench McElroy
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I will continue to say this, though: WAR is wrong. It's not a little wrong. It's a LOT wrong.


Really? How dare you suggest that Ben Zobrist might not have been the best player in the American League in 2011? WAR is never wrong.


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