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RogerTheShrubber 
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:07 pm to Baloo)
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at which point the public's right to safety is more compelling than the person's individual liberty.
Huge issue affecting both dominant ideologies. Both seem to prefer security over liberty.
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FightinTiger 
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:07 pm to bradybones24)
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However, if all you had to do is not blow then nobody would blow
Then we need an innovative solution to not violating the fourth amendment.
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Baloo
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Huge issue affecting both dominant ideologies. Both seem to prefer security over liberty.
I think drug testing a guy before he becomes a police officer is a compelling state interest. You can make a good argument that the state's interest is greater than the individual's in that case. Not so much for say, a postal worker. There's no genuine public safety issue there, and I would oppose drug testing in that case (barring any previous drug convictions).
But let's take the logic of "we can search anyone who goes in an airport under consent search" to another location. By the same rationale, the government should be able to search any person using a public road at any time, for any reason. If we put up checkpoints all over, the people would know the cost of using this PUBLIC road is CONSENTING to a search. After all, you don't have to use the public road. Build a private road if you wish. It's completely unworkable.
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bradybones24
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:14 pm to FightinTiger)
Driving a car is not a god given right...and neither is boarding a plane.
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bradybones24
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:15 pm to bradybones24)
If you don't like the search then stop flying...nobody's forcing you to do that...and if you don't like blowing into a device when suspected of drinking and driving then stop driving or drinking and driving.
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RogerTheShrubber
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Juneau, AK
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:15 pm to FightinTiger)
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Then we need an innovative solution to not violating the fourth amendment.
How about hiring people instead of welfare. Temp jobs paying minimum wage. At least we get some productivity (probably not a lot) in exchange for the tax dollar and some motivation for people to get training or better jobs.
Welfare ain't going away, no matter how much some of us want it to.
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JohnnyKilroy 
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:16 pm to bradybones24)
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If you don't like the search then stop flying...nobody's forcing you to do that...and if you don't like blowing into a device when suspected of drinking and driving then stop driving or drinking and driving.
Spoken like a true liberal.
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bradybones24
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:18 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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Spoken like a true liberal.
Again, you're an idiot.
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Archie Bengal Bunker 
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:18 pm to Bmath)
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So government jobs that require drug testing do this illegally?
Federal courts have already held that Florida randomly drug testing agency employees was unconstitutional. Positions that relate directly to safety are exempted due to strong governmental interest.
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A federal court in Miami ruled Thursday that Gov. Rick Scott’s order to randomly test a majority of state employees for drugs is unconstitutional, saying there is not a compelling enough reason to do so.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/us/court-rules-florida-governors-drug-testing-order-unconstitutional.html
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JohnnyKilroy
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:19 pm to bradybones24)
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dutchtiger
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:19 pm to rsande2)
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Bmath
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:23 pm to Baloo)
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But let's take the logic of "we can search anyone who goes in an airport under consent search" to another location. By the same rationale, the government should be able to search any person using a public road at any time, for any reason. If we put up checkpoints all over, the people would know the cost of using this PUBLIC road is CONSENTING to a search. After all, you don't have to use the public road. Build a private road if you wish. It's completely unworkable.
Air traffic is federally regulated. President has also been set which dictates the need for airport security.
Would you board a commercial flight that did not screen passengers?
Are you simply arguing against the government taking over airport security? What other method do you propose?
This post was edited on 11/15 at 1:26 pm
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bradybones24
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:26 pm to bradybones24)
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Then we need an innovative solution to not violating the fourth amendment.
By all means, let's hear it. Like the previous poster said, it's a public road and a public safety issue.
This post was edited on 11/15 at 1:28 pm
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Bmath
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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How about hiring people instead of welfare. Temp jobs paying minimum wage. At least we get some productivity (probably not a lot) in exchange for the tax dollar and some motivation for people to get training or better jobs.
I think this is better than simply community service. Sort of a teach a man to fish principle.
Presidents always look for ways to create jobs. Here is a good place to start.
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bradybones24
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:29 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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Federal courts have already held that Florida randomly drug testing agency employees was unconstitutional. Positions that relate directly to safety are exempted.
A federal court in Miami ruled Thursday that Gov. Rick Scott’s order to randomly test a majority of state employees for drugs is unconstitutional, saying there is not a compelling enough reason to do so.
Like I said...the irony is that the entire program is unconstitutional.
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RogerTheShrubber
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Juneau, AK
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:33 pm to bradybones24)
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Spoken like a true liberal.
Again, you're an idiot.
I don't think you are a liberal, but definitely a big government conservative. The differences between the two are more determined by what freedoms are ok to limit.
It's not a knock, it's reality. 
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RogerTheShrubber
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Juneau, AK
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:34 pm to Bmath)
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Would you board a commercial flight that did not screen passengers?
I flew for years at an airport where the screeners were my neighbors, Alaska Airline employees who had a crude x ray machine and a hand wand. I never once felt threatened.
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tigeraddict
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:34 pm to Spandex Flamingo)
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Should provide jobs in the drug testing industry.
time to by stock in "Detox products".....
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RogerTheShrubber
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Juneau, AK
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:44 pm to Bmath)
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I think this is better than simply community service. Sort of a teach a man to fish principle.
Presidents always look for ways to create jobs. Here is a good place to start.
I prefer it to welfare. At least 20 hours a week doing something productive.
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chadau79 
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| re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits (Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:02 pm to JohnnyKilroy)
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Is the government illegally seizing my property when they "force" me to provide my financial data to qualify for food stamps?
No.
What do you think tax filings are?
So, how is this any different than asking a recipient for a drug test? Private information is private information to me. They ask race too. What does my race or money I earn have to do with food stamps?
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