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DCRebel
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:04 pm to Zach)
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"There is no difference between Marxism and Socialism, except in the means of achieving the same end...the subjugation of the individual to the power of the state. Marxism uses force, Socialism uses the vote. Murder as opposed to Suicide."
....Ayn Rand
I disagree with Rand.
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He believes in the subjugation of the individual to the collective.
Just like literally every government ever.
Obama didn't invent laws or taxes. Hate to burst that bubble, bro.
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He believes in a totalitarian state unfettered by the restrictions of the Constitution.
Link?
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crawdaddy52 
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:16 pm to Bayou Sam)
Bayou, is that disaster on a budget?
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LSU Herder 
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:18 pm to Zach)
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"There is no difference between Marxism and Socialism, except in the means of achieving the same end...the subjugation of the individual to the power of the state. Marxism uses force, Socialism uses the vote. Murder as opposed to Suicide."
....Ayn Rand
Oh and your Libertarian ideas are better? Please explain Mrs. Rand.
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:19 pm to Bayou Sam)
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Marx did not invent the idea that the rich exploited the poor, and that the people could use the government to secure justice for themselves.
True. The French Revolution predated the Communist Manifesto by almost 60 years. Marx just put it into words.
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Zach
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:27 pm to DCRebel)
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I disagree with Rand.
Of course you do. You're a Marxist.
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Just like literally every government ever.
That's really stupid moral equivalence. Ergo, England = North Korea because they are both govts.
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Obama didn't invent laws or taxes. Hate to burst that bubble, bro.
Oh, he's inventing lots of new ones, circumventing others and trying like hell to raise taxes, BRO.
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Link?
Six years of observing and reading about his political philosophy. Asking for a link is really lame, BRO.
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Bayou Sam
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:28 pm to Godfather1)
The french revolution didn't invent it either.
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Bayou Sam
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:30 pm to crawdaddy52)
Yes I believe if you consult Kapital book 5, chapter 7, you'll see that Karl Marx recommends "disastrous budgeting" as a key strategy to ushering in the end of history.
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DCRebel
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:31 pm to Zach)
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Of course you do. You're a Marxist.
False dichotomy ("You either support Rand or are a Marxist") and no, I'm not.
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That's really stupid moral equivalence. Ergo, England = North Korea because they are both govts.
Not what I'm saying at all. My point is that in any government some individuality is sacrificed or "subjugated for the collective." Indicting any government leader of advocating that is dumb, because there's nothing unique or wrong with it.
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Oh, he's inventing lots of new ones, circumventing others and trying like hell to raise taxes, BRO.
And that makes him different than any other American president how?
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Six years of observing and reading about his political philosophy. Asking for a link is really lame, BRO.
Yeah, asking you to substantiate your claims is totally lame, dude.
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Bayou Sam
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:32 pm to Zach)
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That's really stupid moral equivalence.
A good subtitle for this thread!
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FightinTiger 
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:32 pm to theunknownknight)
When he does something that's Marxist.
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IMJ127
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:33 pm to TupeloTiger)
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He really might be the prelude to the Anti-Christ. America has to decline for the anti-Christ to rise.
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Patrick O Rly 
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:34 pm to joshnorris14)
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When he stops governing as a Fascist probably.
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crawdaddy52
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:37 pm to Bayou Sam)
According to the criteria I've read so far, what 20th or 21st century President was not a Marxist? TR's trust busting is surely Marxist. Wilson's internationalism. FDR absolutely. Eisenhower's corporate tax rates and all that eminent domain to build the interstate. Nixion's and Ford's wage and price controls - can't get much more Marxist than that. Carter's cardigan sweaters. Reagan tripled the deficit - second biggest tax increase in history. We apparently were the first communist country.
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:38 pm to DCRebel)
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I disagree with Rand.
I don't see how you can dispute the accuracy of her statement. You can disagree with her attitude; that you think it's a good thing for the individual to be subjugated by the power of the state.
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DCRebel
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:50 pm to Patrick O Rly)
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I don't see how you can dispute the accuracy of her statement.
It's a blanket statement that completely ignores nuance.quote:
You can disagree with her attitude; that you think it's a good thing for the individual to be subjugated by the power of the state.
And I do, to an extent. We have laws and taxes, just like every society ever, for a reason.
Unless there's something I'm missing, the only way one could agree with Rand would be for that person to be a total anarchist.
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:58 pm to MrTide33)
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Redistribution of wealth is the biggest joke in government. It is the first step to economical disaster
I agree with you, but, people who share our views are in the minority now.
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:58 pm to DCRebel)
Or you just believe that the state should be subjugated to individuals rights.
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darkhorse
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:59 pm to theunknownknight)
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That's what bugs me, people are avoiding the obvious.
He has to. Here's the issue, about 50% of this country did not even VOTE!
If he came out and stated that was his beliefs, he would have lost in a landslide.
Those that did not vote would have gotten off their butts and voted!
They have to lie to get elected because people would not accept it. Over a period of time, the concept will change.
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Zach
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:01 pm to DCRebel)
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False dichotomy ("You either support Rand or are a Marxist") and no, I'm not.
So, what are you? Are don't you know? I'm a Libertarian tending anarcho. Some use the term minarchist.
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Not what I'm saying at all. My point is that in any government some individuality is sacrificed or "subjugated for the collective." Indicting any government leader of advocating that is dumb, because there's nothing unique or wrong with it.
You just defined moral equivalence and don't even realize it. How sad.
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And that makes him different than any other American president how?
Well, the most obvious would be RR lowering taxes. But since you don't understand M.E., you would probably say that BO's raising taxes = RR's lowering taxes because both Presidents changed tax rates.
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Yeah, asking you to substantiate your claims is totally lame, dude.
So, you want a link that says "Obama found to be a Marxist".
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darkhorse
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| re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist? (Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:01 pm to WikiTiger)
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He really might be the prelude to the Anti-Christ. America has to decline for the anti-Christ to rise.
oh for fricks sake, you can't be this stupid, can you?
LOL.. if it were not for the policies of the board, we could debate!
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