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JohnnyKilroy
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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I give you facts but still not good enough.



Except that your "facts" don't bear out whenever this is attempted. Read the thread.






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bradybones24
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Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
255 posts

re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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Wrong, hate big gov. I think the majority of the program should be shut down. However, it is not going anywhere and if we are going to have it lets get something out of the freeloaders. Community service would be a deterrent from accepting welfare, put on your yellow vest and pick up trash on the highways and parks.



I agree...at least make them do something.






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bradybones24
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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Except that your "facts" don't bear out whenever this is attempted. Read the thread.


Probably because they let them come back a week later and retake the test....and if they pass the benefits are immediately reinstated.

At this point we would be paying for the welfare and the drug test with virtually no interruption in benefits.

If two months penalty aren't enough to keep the system in the black, then make it three months...and so forth and so on until it doesn't lose money.

The system can work but the government is too afraid of taking a hardline approach because the welfare recipients would be furious...i say frick em.



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TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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Wrong, hate big gov. I think the majority of the program should be shut down. However, it is not going anywhere and if we are going to have it lets get something out of the freeloaders. Community service would be a deterrent from accepting welfare, put on your yellow vest and pick up trash on the highways and parks.
You hate big government, and to prove it you insist upon piling on more government as a solution to bad government.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of Americans who agree with you.






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haggard79
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My earlier statement said take the cost of the test out of their welfare check.


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dewster
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Tennessee
Member since Aug 2006
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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it's been done before and it costs more money than it saves


Seems impossible to measure if it ecourages people to reduce or eliminate drug use....considering how costly the "war on drugs" is today.



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rsande2
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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Just don't call yourself a conservative. Definitely don't call yourself a fiscal conservative.


One of the worst posts I have ever read, fiscal conservative means reducing OVERALL govt spending and the national debt.






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bradybones24
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Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
255 posts

re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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My earlier statement said take the cost of the test out of their welfare check


not a bad idea...this would teach them the lessons of money that my dad taught me when I was 5.






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rsande2
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If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Amirite?


Nope, wrong again, still fighting obamacare and other things that are responsible for much more of the debt than this. Stop posting.






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haggard79
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So by using community service, a deterrent which would eliminate individuals from the program and drug test with cost taken out of their welfare checks also eliminating individuals from the program increases big government? Stop being so short sighted. Long run it would decrease recepients. I am not saying create another branch of government to oversee the community service and drug testing, use the current government employees that work the program.

What would be your recommendation. Do nothing...yea that has worked in the past.






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RogerTheShrubber
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not a bad idea...this would teach them the lessons of money that my dad taught me when I was 5.



I don't like the idea of the government instilling values.






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rsande2
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Member since Jan 2006
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What would be your recommendation. Do nothing...yea that has worked in the past.


TXtiger would, he could be the most narrow minded, short sighted poster in this thread....






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SECSolomonGrundy
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Member since Jun 2012
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So by using community service, a deterrent which would eliminate individuals from the program and drug test with cost taken out of their welfare checks also eliminating individuals from the program increases big government?


yes






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BTHog
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they are lucky to have such a supportive parent.


Supportive means teaching them that actions have consequences. If you use drugs you are on your own. I will not enable them.






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BTHog
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yes


How stupid. EVERY community could use some cleaning, etc etc. It's a win win. Hell , hire some of the people who are on welfare now to oversee the others and you are out NOTHING because you are already spending that money, you're just not receiving anything in return for it.

I'll say it again, some of you people are fricking retards.






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haggard79
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yes



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I am not saying create another branch of government to oversee the community service and drug testing, use the current government employees that work the program.


If you mean big government infringing upon their freedoms...well all I have to say to that is frick them. If you want to suck from the government tit, then you will be managed by big brother in a manner that saves tax payer dollars. I am totally against big government infringing upon my freedoms as a hard working productive member of society, but when it comes to people living off my back the government damn well better be managing our tax dollars in the most efficient way possible.






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Bayou Tiger
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Member since Nov 2003
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Where has this even been tried outside of Florida? This pilot program almost broke even, and there are many ways that it could be improved (many stated in this thread alone).

Imagine if we as Americans summarily ditched everything that was promising and on the cusp of viability after only one attempt. That is the mopey mentality that puts people in a welfare line to begin with.

Florida's pilot attempt lost only 45 thousand dollars, so it wasn't like a Solyndra-type ill-fated debacle that lost hundreds of millions.



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SECSolomonGrundy
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Member since Jun 2012
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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EVERY community could use some cleaning, etc etc. It's a win win. Hell , hire some of the people who are on welfare now to oversee the others and you are out NOTHING because you are already spending that money, you're just not receiving anything in return for it.


the question i was responding to is whether creating a drug testing and community service program increases big government. its not a really complicated issue.

but hey, if calling people stupid and saying they are fricking retards because they dont agree with your ideaology makes you feel better, have at it buddy.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Most conservatives claim the don't trust govt, and prefer limited govt yet want to trust govt to do this.





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BTHog
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If you mean big government infringing upon their freedoms...well all I have to say to that is frick them. If you want to suck from the government tit, then you will be managed by big brother in a manner that saves tax payer dollars. I am totally against big government infringing upon my freedoms as a hard working productive member of society, but when it comes to people living off my back the government damn well better be managing our tax dollars in the most efficient way possible.



That's the part they don't get. If you CHOOSE to let the government support you (and we're not talking about government employees or contractors who EARN their money) then the government damn sure has a right to dictate how you manage your life.

Personally, I would even add tobacco as a product that is not allowed. If you can afford $6 a pack for cigarettes, buy your own fricking food.

I am usually pretty chill about others having their own differing opinions, but in this particular case if someone can't see the simple logic of people who choose to partake in expensive habits should not be collecting welfare is just a fricking idiot. Plain and simple.







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