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JohnnyKilroy
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So do you have a better idea? Like some other posters in this thread I don't see welfare going anywhere, so at least give me the piece of mind that my tax dollars are going to feed a needy family and not support someone's drug addiction. Surely you can see the principle of the idea.



Me paying less taxes >>>>>>>> a negligible amount of people using their welfare check on drugs.






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Baloo
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Also, for those on the left, I will assume you would be against this, what is your reasoning for that stance?


Without reading this whole thread, how about the fact it is unconstitutional? It's an unreasonable search and seizure. OK, if the person had a drug conviction, then I could at least see some cause to force them to submit to future drug tests, but if there is no evidence the person uses drugs, on what grounds does the government get to seize the person and search their bloodstream for evidence of drug use?

I know we treat the 4th Amendment like a f'n joke in this country, but can we at least pretend to believe in due process?

The economic reasons are probably more effective from a policy standpoint, though.






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JohnnyKilroy
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Without reading this whole thread, how about the fact it is unconstitutional? It's an unreasonable search and seizure. OK, if the person had a drug conviction, then I could at least see some cause to force them to submit to future drug tests, but if there is no evidence the person uses drugs, on what grounds does the government get to seize the person and search their bloodstream for evidence of drug use?



This.

A lot of fake-ass conservatives up in this thread.






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tigersaint26
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re: Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


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it is unconstitutional? It's an unreasonable search and seizure. OK, if the person had a drug conviction, then I could at least see some cause to force them to submit to future drug tests, but if there is no evidence the person uses drugs, on what grounds does the government get to seize the person and search their bloodstream for evidence of drug use?


On the grounds that their living is being paid for by the government. If they don't want to be drug tested, then don't take the money. Kind of like a job, an employer pays you and has the right to drug test you. Government pays you money to live, they have right to drug test you.






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Baloo
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That's still not reasonable grounds for a search. A private employer can drug test you because they are not bound by the 4th amendment. The government is. The 4th Amendment is a personal right. What individualized reason do you have to search that person other than you want to save a few bucks on the welfare program?





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Bmath
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That's still not reasonable grounds for a search. A private employer can drug test you because they are not bound by the 4th amendment. The government is. The 4th Amendment is a personal right. What individualized reason do you have to search that person other than you want to save a few bucks on the welfare program?


So government jobs that require drug testing do this illegally?






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tigersaint26
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Why not drug test using the same policy in place for government employees? Govt employees can be drug tested without cause. They still get due process but there does not need to be suspicion.







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TX Tiger
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Texas to begin drug testing for welfare/unemployment benefits


On one side of their mouth, Texas threatens secession from a tyrannical government.
On the other side of their mouth, Texas exemplifies tyrannical government.






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chadau79
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On the other side of their mouth, Texas exemplifies tyrannical government.


No it doesn't. They are not mandating that everyone get tested for drugs. Texas isn't forcing anyone to get tested. Can I get welfare without providing financial information? Is the government illegally seizing my property when they "force" me to provide income date for food stamps?






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rsande2
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What individualized reason do you have to search that person other than you want to save a few bucks on the welfare program?


See my post above, some crazy ppl out there want their money to go to helping a needy family survive and not to perpetuate a drug addiction. Not sure how many times it needs to be said but this is not just about cost savings.

"For my own part, I am not so well satisfied of the goodness of this thing. I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. -- I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it."






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BTHog
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how about the fact it is unconstitutional? It's an unreasonable search and seizure


How is it unconstitutional sir? You have NO right to welfare. DO you understand that simple fact?

Therefor , you are voluntarily accepting welfare that is OFFERED to you, and if you do so knowing full well that drug tests are part of the procedure,it is no different than if you invited a police officer in to search your home, there is no need for a warrant.

Jesus people are stupid.






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TX Tiger
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On the other side of their mouth, Texas exemplifies tyrannical government.




No it doesn't. They are not mandating that everyone get tested for drugs.
Nope. Just high school athletes, government workers, and those on welfare/unemployment benefits.

You'll just have to wait your turn.






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rsande2
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You have NO right to welfare. DO you understand that simple fact? Therefor , you are voluntarily accepting welfare that is OFFERED to you,


And there in lies the problem, ppl think they are entitled, big problem in this country. Well said sir.






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TX Tiger
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Jesus people are stupid.
The smart move to combat big government is more big government.






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JohnnyKilroy
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How is it unconstitutional sir? You have NO right to welfare.


Driving on a public highway is not a right.






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rsande2
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A lot of fake-ass conservatives up in this thread.


I keep hearing this argument, how is being for this not conservative. I know for dang sure I am a fiscal conservative and I don't think this is a bad idea. I get that it adds a marginal amount of govt, but as has been stated before, welfare isn't goig anywhere so what is, as a conservative, the next best thing? My response, make sure the money is being used appropriately and efficiently and for its intended purpose....






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JohnnyKilroy
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My response, make sure the money is being used appropriately and efficiently and for its intended purpose....


So what about people spending 90% of their check on malt liquor?
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I know for dang sure I am a fiscal conservative and I don't think this is a bad idea


frick history, amirite?






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rsande2
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So what about people spending 90% of their check on malt liquor?


Which ppl, the ones on govt assistance?

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frick history, amirite?


No you can learn alot from history, not sure I see your point here.






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JohnnyKilroy
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Which ppl, the ones on govt assistance?



Yes.

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No you can learn alot from history, not sure I see your point here.



The history, which has been discussed in this thread multiple times, is that this practice A. costs more money than it saves, and B doesn't actually deter people from using drugs.






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haggard79
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The cost of the drug test should come out of the recepients check. They should also be forced to do community service.





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