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NC_Tigah
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Would God support abortion?
Spontaneous abortion happens in nature with regularity. Deliberate abortion occurs in nature in cases when life of the mother is at risk.

Probably was not the question you wanted to ask.






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asurob1
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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yes.

Unless the baby is conceived under involuntary circumstances.

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lol it's either no or yes...there are no special circumstances.






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MrTide33
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lol it's either no or yes...there are no special circumstances.


This is correct. As heart-rending as awful rape stories are, it does not change whter or not it is right to take innocent human life. It's also not right to take one innocent human's life to save another's






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MrTide33
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Planned Parenthood debate on where life begins

Lady compares child in womb to virus, congratulations






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catholictigerfan
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I am not sure I understand your question, catholictigerfan. I'll repeat, in this particular circumstance, her mental & physical well being were the only things important to any of us. She did make the final decision, if that matters. As for thinking your position is superor to mine, feel free to think so. I am not trying to change your position at all. You are fully entitled to them, and I mean that sincerely. Just accept that I am entitled to mine as well.


to make it clear I'm asking you is it always wrong to kill an innocent human being?

I understand your concerns for the health of your sister, that is very important and I don't deny that. But the point to my question is that if killing an innocent human being is wrong in your eyes, and if you believe that the unborn is a human being, you have to be able to explain why you would be ok with abortion even in rape.

I understand how horrible this situation is, and how hard it can be on a family and a women, but nothing justifies the killing of an innocent human being NOTHING.

if you don't believe the fetus is a human being then we will look at this in a different way. I just hope you can see where I am coming from.






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catholictigerfan
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I just have serious problems with this particular issue, as I know, too well, that politicians in general, and many specifically, are the last people I want involved in telling me what is immoral/moral.Be honest, do you not believe that more than a few of these fine, upstanding people, locally & nationally, have not gotten their girlfriends/mistresses pregnant & had them under go an abortion to save their reputations? Yet they are able to legislate on my morals?


i know this isn't directed to me but let me address it.

I don't believe politicans job is to "legislate morals" I mean you could say that they are but I don't believe that this is their main goal or even a part of their Job. I believe the government's job is to look out for the common good of society, meaning that every single individual is having his needs meet in some way and that noone in this society is being taken advantage of or losing their human dignity. The Government must work to reach the common good and uphold it. The killing of innocent life prevents the government from reaching that common good, and the government should do what they can to stop the killing of innocent life.

meaning murder should be illegal (this includes abortion)
local governments should put a good amount of effort into crime fighting and police
government should take carful consideration when going to war.

I could list other examples.

so the government in my opinion should legislate morals, rather they are protecting human dignity which helps the common good.






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catholictigerfan
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hey asurob1 has made it can't keep him away from topics dealing with the war on women.





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ljhog
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justifiable murder

No sich a thang






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catholictigerfan
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this thread just won't die.





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Keltic Tiger
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"Meaning murder should be illegal ( this includes abortion)". So, in your black/white, non negotiatable,right/wrong world, my sister is a murderer. I don't mean to be so "extreme", but this is the position you are putting me...and many others out there who have been involved in a family member's rape & resulting pregnancy..in. This is the world my sister was forced to live in, & it is the world I relate to because of what happened to her. Our world is not so black/white.





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Keltic Tiger
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It is also "not right" for you to try & protray your beliefs as the only ones that are right, and, as a result, any different ones are wrong. By your reasoning, my sister was a murderer, correct?





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ShoeBang
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my sister was a murderer, correct?


In my opinion & the way I view abortion: Your sister ,the doctor who did the abortion, and everyone who helped directly or indirectly, are responsible for a child not having a chance at life.






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TigerinATL
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Is Abortion Murder?


It's either murder or none of the government's business. So what does that mean?

1) If it's anything it's a state issue as that's the level of government where we typically handle murder.

2) We already have rules and regulations on how doctors can end an adult life, the same rules should apply to abortion. If the doctor isn't murdering a brain dead patient by pulling the plug then they aren't murdering a baby if it hasn't developed to similar standards of viability/functionality.

It really is that simple. Build the abortion rules around this and the vast majority of the people would think they were reasonable and abortion would stop being an election issue. Which is why they'll never vote for such an obvious and reasonable change.






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Ace Midnight
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1) If it's anything it's a state issue as that's the level of government where we typically handle murder.


This was the way it was handled prior to Roe. Roe said the states couldn't regulate it, which is why it remains so contentious - the debate was frozen. A significant majority of people opposed abortion on demand, as did a significant plurality in so-called blue states, but there was no debate, no discussion, no real dialogue on whether or if it was a good idea to just throw dozens of state laws out for an invented "right of privacy therefore I can kill my unborn child" song and dance that 7 people on the Supreme Court of the United Staes decided would be a good idea.

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2) We already have rules and regulations on how doctors can end an adult life, the same rules should apply to abortion. If the doctor isn't murdering a brain dead patient by pulling the plug then they aren't murdering a baby if it hasn't developed to similar standards of viability/functionality.


Not against the adult's will there isn't. And withdrawing support - whether feeding tube, artificial breathing support, etc., and letting nature take its course isn't quite the same thing as inserting instruments into the child's living space and either cutting it up into manageable pieces, or otherwise disintegrating/removing it from the space by negative pressure.

As I said - I completely withdraw my objection to the procedure because we cannot afford the genetic material anymore. I do feel for the little ones that nobody sees or hears, and therefore it is easy for the destroyers to pretend they're not even there.






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MrTide33
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So, in your black/white, non negotiatable,right/wrong world, my sister is a murderer.


I understand that its painful, and I admit, I have no clue as to how hard it would be to go through a pregnancy after being raped. However, human life begins somewhere, and taking that life for whatever reason makes it murder. I'm not saying your sister is a bad person at all, and under the gurrent legal situation, there's nothing wrong with what she did. The government allows it. But as hard as it is, there can be no excuse for taking innocent human life






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TigerinATL
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Not against the adult's will there isn't. And withdrawing support - whether feeding tube, artificial breathing support, etc., and letting nature take its course isn't quite the same thing as inserting instruments into the child's living space and either cutting it up into manageable pieces, or otherwise disintegrating/removing it from the space by negative pressure.


When the adults are incapacitated others are allowed to make that decision for them. Also, I realize it's not quite the same thing, but I think it's a reasonable enough standard to gain popular support.






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MrTide33
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It is also "not right" for you to try & protray your beliefs as the only ones that are right, and, as a result, any different ones are wrong.


Look, som things are a matter of opinion, and some things aren't. Right now, you are entitled to have an opinion about whether or not it is right to take away innocent human life. However, where human life begins is not a matter of opinion. There are different opinions out right now, but only one of them can be correct, and science will prove that one correct. When science deems a fetus at a certain development level as a living human being, it then falls under the inalienable right to life in our constitution. Thats as black and white as it gets






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Ace Midnight
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When the adults are incapacitated others are allowed to make that decision for them.


Children are generally considered incapable of making such decisions for themselves. I have asked for years, what is the cutoff? Does the child have to breathe room air to be afforded the same protection as everybody else? Can we kill a child who needs an incubator? Is there something magical about the birth canal? Can we kill people born by C-section? Can a mother ask for a 42nd trimester abortion if the child is defiant and doing poorly in school?







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MrTide33
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When the adults are incapacitated others are allowed to make that decision for them. Also, I realize it's not quite the same thing, but I think it's a reasonable enough standard to gain popular support.


These two things are on opposite ends of the spectrum for me. The person dying is naturally losing development as he goes toward death. Therefore, death is the work of nature, not of man. In an abortion, the fetus is at the very least developing towards life (although I believe it is already living, but you know that.) So to "unplug" a man-made machine giving artificial life to a patient is very much different than disrupting a natural, beautiful process towards life






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taylork37
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


I just cannot see how you can give EVERYONE who is pro-choice in any way a classification of being OK with the murder of an innocent human being.

Despite the current laws I think it is clearly murder after the unborn child has reached a certain point in development. Where that point is, is such a grey area and will never be agreed upon.

With that said, I agree that it takes some serious mental gymnastics to justify aborting an unborn baby after a certain period, but I also think it takes some serious mental gymnastics to say that killing a freshly fertilized egg is somehow murder.

To add to this, I really cannot understand the people who are using the "If someone kills a pregnant woman, should they be charged twice" argument. Since when does someone besides the mother have the same amount of say for the unborn baby that they are the mother of. I understand that the amount of rights of the mother over her unborn child are definitely up for debate. But to say that the murderer has the same amount of rights as that mother is ridiculous to me.




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