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MrTide33
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Planned Parenthood Debates Personhood


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"Science cannot be applied to my body"

"Heart doesn't beat until 24 weeks"

"I have a virus in my body, that's also something little and living inside of me, but if I'm going to try and kill it, I'm not gonna be like 'oh no, it was a virus thingy, I just killed a life.'"

So.. Much.. Fail







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crazyLSUfan
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Comparing a baby to a virus. Classic.





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MrTide33
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Comparing a baby to a virus. Classic.


You would think they'd be better prepared for a personhood debate. There are actually decent arguments out there






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GumboPot
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"I have a virus in my body, that's also something little and living inside of me, but if I'm going to try and kill it, I'm not gonna be like 'oh no, it was a virus thingy, I just killed a life.'"


As proven by science genitically unique humans are different than viruses. If all I had was a DNA or RNA sample I couldn't say kill the human sample but I could kill the virus (or any other organism) and not feel bad about it.

However, if it where a Panda zygote or some other protected species zygote, you would probably get thrown in the slammer for killing said zygote. But a human zygote? You'll get a pat on the back and a big congrats for killing that zygote.






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Aristotle
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The heartbeat actually doesn't occur until the late second trimester. The perceived 'heartbeat' until then is a cell pulsation due to electrical stimulation (cells communicating with each other essentially). The heart roughly starts developing anywhere from 18-22 weeks and starts beating a once it's done.

My stance on abortion hinges more on the development of the brain. I believe it is okay until the fetus develops a thinking brain considering our humanity comes from our ability of complex thought and not that we have a heartbeat. The brain is once of the later organs developed because it is the most complex. With that being said, I support someone's choice until the third trimester. That's the line in the sand for me.

Abortion really is an issue that needs to be thrown out of politics. It should be up to a doctor if he wants to perform them and up to the patient if she wants to have one. No one else has any business butting in between the patient and doctor.

Also, my source is that I worked as an undergrad in a cell and molecular development lab for a semester and did shite like that all the time. Worked under a chick that studied a lot of prenatal stuff.

ETA: the notion that they think science cannot be applied to the human body is complete and utter bull shite. The human body is a part of science.



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tketaco
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Comparing a baby to a virus. Classic


I've heard them compare babies to parasites as well.






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MrTide33
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I've heard them compare babies to parasites as well.


I actually do this (the PP rep in the video mentions the mother as a Host), but I use it to point out the fact that parasites are considered seperate beings although they similarly gain nutrients from the host






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"Science cannot be applied to my body"
People are stupid.
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"Heart doesn't beat until 24 weeks"
Completely wrong.
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"I have a virus in my body, that's also something little and living inside of me, but if I'm going to try and kill it, I'm not gonna be like 'oh no, it was a virus thingy, I just killed a life.'"
Just plain moronic.






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llfshoals
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Aristotle


Your stance is it's ok to kill a human being because it isn't developed enough. Not that it isn't a human being, but only it's development that's the issue.

Our humanity comes from BEING human. A human being can be nothing else, ever, from the moment of conception to the end of their lives.

Your own screen name should tell you this as Aristotle said, A is A. Now one thing you said however is correct IMO. If a woman wants to kill her unborn child, it should be her decision. Just be honest what the choice is.

That is her child, and it will die as a result of that decision.






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TigerJeff
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special reserved section in hell for these folks





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Patrick O Rly
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I took a social ethics course a couple of semesters ago, and the Chapter on abortion and infanticide made me want to punch walls. Some of these bastards actually argued that babies weren't real people up to 2-3 years (I forget the range), and that it would be perfectly ethical to kill them, but it wouldn't be pragmatic because it would upset people. WTF?





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My stance on abortion hinges more on the development of the brain. I believe it is okay until the fetus develops a thinking brain considering our humanity comes from our ability of complex thought and not that we have a heartbeat. The brain is once of the later organs developed because it is the most complex. With that being said, I support someone's choice until the third trimester. That's the line in the sand for me.

You basically said anybody who is mentally handicapped is not fully a person. We can legalize the killing of the mentally disabled now.






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Darth_Vader
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I'm going to catch hell for this but I'll post it anyway. The mindset we see from these people is a direct result of this country losing it's Christian principles as the bedrock foundation that our moral code is based on and replacing it with the supposed greater wisdom of science (a.k.a mankind). When you take away the unchanging right & wrong that God gave us and replace it with the whims of mankind on what is and is not right or wrong the result is that you really have no moral foundation due to the fact that the thinking of man is every changing when it is not based on a moral foundation based on biblical principles. This is why there are so many in this country willing to compare an unborn child to a virus. You can rail against me as a backwards thinking "bible-thumper" you can mock me all you want. But the inescapable truth of the matter is that a society who lacks the bedrock moral foundation from God is a society that really has no morals to speak of.





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Darth_Vader
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You basically said anybody who is mentally handicapped is not fully a person. We can legalize the killing of the mentally disabled now.


You are correct and whats more his thinking is very much in line with the rationale the Nazis used in their early euthanasia programs to kill off mentally & physically disabled patents, including children. Like i said, once you remove the moral code of God and replace it with one of man's making, there is no limit to the depravity that mankind can sink to.






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Planned Parenthood and pro-abortion people are stuck in a 1930's antiscientific mindset when it comes to abortion. The belief that a 6 inch trip through the vaginal canal somehow magically confers "life" is Stone Age thinking.





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ShoeBang
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Life starts at conception. Fact.

"Personhood" is irrelevant. The life that is there is a human being.

frick anyone who believes otherwise, you have somehow been brainwashed or have done some major self denial.

I used to not care, then I recently saw my baby inside my 10 weeks pregnant (13 weeks now) wife. frick you if you think that thing isn't a human, just frick you sideways.






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Aristotle
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You basically said anybody who is mentally handicapped is not fully a person. We can legalize the killing of the mentally disabled now.


Not really. That would mean handicapped people can't think. They can think.






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Rex
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Your stance is it's ok to kill a human being because it isn't developed enough.

That's my stance.






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MrTide33
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I'm going to catch hell for this but I'll post it anyway. The mindset we see from these people is a direct result of this country losing it's Christian principles as the bedrock foundation that our moral code is based on and replacing it with the supposed greater wisdom of science (a.k.a mankind). When you take away the unchanging right & wrong that God gave us and replace it with the whims of mankind on what is and is not right or wrong the result is that you really have no moral foundation due to the fact that the thinking of man is every changing when it is not based on a moral foundation based on biblical principles. This is why there are so many in this country willing to compare an unborn child to a virus. You can rail against me as a backwards thinking "bible-thumper" you can mock me all you want. But the inescapable truth of the matter is that a society who lacks the bedrock moral foundation from God is a society that really has no morals to speak of.


Thank you for sharing exactly what you believe. I am also a Christian. While some of you may disagree with what this guy said, it is true that when morality is not a set guideline in a country, different people will run in all different directions. Whether you believe in the Bible or not






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MrTide33
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That's my stance.


Do you believe it's okay for different people to set their own stage of human development as gaining the right to life?






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