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uway 
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| Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:16 pm)
Plus he won his WC qualifying group. 2012 = best winning percentage for the USMNT since 2005.
Take a bow and shake the haters off, Jurgy!
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:20 pm to uway)
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thenry712 
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:24 pm to uway)
Loss to Jamaica for the first time ever.
Nearly drew with Antigua & Barbuda
Drew to a very bad Guatemala team
Slow your roll sir.
It's been probably our lightest fixture list since 2008. Klinsmann has acquitted himself very nicely in difficult friendlies. I'll withhold judgment until he can get us three points in a competitive away fixture not played in Antigua.
This post was edited on 11/14 at 12:25 pm
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uway
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 12:29 pm to thenry712)
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Loss to Jamaica for the first time ever. Nearly drew with Antigua & Barbuda Drew to a very bad Guatemala team Slow your roll sir. It's been probably our lightest fixture list since 2008. Klinsmann has acquitted himself very nicely in difficult friendlies. I'll withhold judgment until he can get us three points in a competitive away fixture not played in Antigua
Hopefully you saved Sheep from having to make this same post. It's good someone did, though, b/c I had forgotten that it wasn't a perfect season. Oh, and quickly go find me the last time a USMNT coach had to play so many games without Landon Donovan. Did Jamaica even have a team before LD came on the scene?
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225bred 
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 6:46 pm to uway)
All that winning, not to mention the intangibles he has brought. He's raising expectations, and changing the whole culture of USMNT, he has also been very active in improving our talent pool. ie the Germericans.
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Bho 
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 6:52 pm to 225bred)
I'll gladly trade a win @ Azteca for the loss to Jamaica.
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LSUSOBEAST1 
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 7:01 pm to thenry712)
Before I even clicked on this thread I knew you would be in here shitting on the OP.
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Tigerstark
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 7:56 pm to LSUSOBEAST1)
All this makes me believe we'd be better off qualifying through UEFA instead of playing against the Island and Central American powerhouses.
Seriously - we'd be put in a group with one good team like Italy, who we're clearly better than on their own soil, and then play Luxembourg, Israel, Norther Ireland, etc.
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thenry712
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 8:30 pm to LSUSOBEAST1)
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Before I even clicked on this thread I knew you would be in here shitting on the OP.
I'm not shitting on the OP. I'm pointing out the need to temper our expectations and not over-flatter ourselves with a decent national team season.
Friendly results are nice. There's a massive difference in how international teams prepare for and manage friendlies versus how they prepare for competitive fixtures.
How many goals did we score in the first half of our major friendly victories this season?
Zero. We scored all of our goals in those games after making mass substitutions; something we can't do in competitive fixtures.
I like Klinsmann's attitude on football. I like that he's scheduled these difficult games away from home and gotten spectacular results. I don't put much stock in them, because the rest of the world largely ignores friendly results. The only great result was the Azteca win. That was a half full Azteca. If Klinsmann can do that in qualifying in the 4 pm heat with the bags of piss flying, I'll be ecstatic.
And what exactly has Klinsmann done to the American soccer system less than two years into his tenure as manager? Someone give me tangible evidence or a link to a grassroots development program he's initiated. Someone prove that we played Klinsmann's sexy attacking football in those big friendly wins.
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Jumbeauxlaya
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 8:47 pm to thenry712)
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And what exactly has Klinsmann done to the American soccer system less than two years into his tenure as manager?
Experimented more with new players in one year than bob did in 4. And in this way we've discovered players like Boyd, Cameron and zusi that will be major participants going forward. Got results without relying on USA's stars
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thenry712
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:05 pm to Jumbeauxlaya)
Michael Bradley
Eric Lichaj
Timmy Chandler
Omar Gonzalez
Stuart Holden
Brad Guzan
Jermaine Jones
Sacha Kljestan
Jozy Altidore
Bob Bradley "discovered" players.
Klinsmann has found promising players. Don't undersell Bradley.
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cwil177
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:37 pm to thenry712)
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Someone prove that we played Klinsmann's sexy attacking football in those big friendly wins.
I know a club coach who told me that things are changing.
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thenry712
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:43 pm to cwil177)
Claudio Reyna
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uway
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:52 pm to thenry712)
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Someone prove that we played Klinsmann's sexy attacking football in those big friendly wins.
This is the one criticism of JK that I can't get behind at all. Are you criticizing him for being pragmatic? He wants a certain style (that I'm sure most of us also want), does what he thinks is right to get us to that style eventually, and in the meantime can still pull out results playing ugly against teams who are already where we want to be talent and skill wise.
He's had some missteps and may end up failing big time, but I just don't get the criticism of him for having a vision and not achieving it overnight.
Also, I don't know if y'all noticed, but outside of MB, we just don't have any stars in the midfield. That would be the same under Bob. We either need LD back or we need someone to step up. Maybe Stuhawk will be the answer next year some time.
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Sheep
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 10:02 pm to Jumbeauxlaya)
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Experimented more with new players in one year than bob did in 4.
I'm too lazy to look, but I'd bet money that Bob used more players in his first year than Klinsmann did. And a vast number of those players were crucial to qualification in 2010.
I'd guess it's a fairly large number more, too.
Where were Jay DeMerit, Benny Feilhaber and Charlie Davies in the beginning of 2007?
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thenry712
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/14/12 at 10:05 pm to uway)
I definitely agree with you on that point. I don't like that people are all of a sudden claiming that we're playing attractive soccer and bringing in "intangibles." We've played pragmatic and effective football under Klinsmann; the same as Bradley's. USMNT. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss per say.
Klinsmann is doing very well. He's not setting the soccer world on fire. He needs to improve vastly in competitive fixtures.
Also as for the big LD question. Every national team manager has to deal with players aging and injuries. Bob Bradley lost his job because Altidore and Cherundolo got injured in the Gold Cup. Klinsmann did well to quickly bleed in Zusi.
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uway
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| re: Results in Italy, Mexico, and Russia in one year (Posted on 11/15/12 at 6:37 am to Sheep)
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Where were Jay DeMerit, Benny Feilhaber in the beginning of 2007?
Hell, where are they now? I think we could use them.
I don't think JK has tried more players than Bob or whether that even matters. Bringing in Fabian is obv a huge deal.
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