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Ace Midnight
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Youre giving up on those innocent little children?


I hate that these words are true...but they're true.

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C'mon man, we need people like you to step up and fight. Not only do they have a right to life, they have the right to an attorney. Who's standing up and fighting for them right now?


I see no way to stop the abortion people other than natural selection. We tried. We lost. I think we should try to find common ground with people who are completely cool with abortion, but with whom we can agree on many other issues.

Just my $0.02.






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catholictigerfan
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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I see no way to stop the abortion people other than natural selection. We tried. We lost. I think we should try to find common ground with people who are completely cool with abortion, but with whom we can agree on many other issues.


you are correct with the state of politics in this country and with the way social issues are now becoming an after thought, I don't see any politican putting his entier effort into abortion, he may call himself pro life, but he will never draft legislation, he will never get on the stand and fight for the unborn, he just votes pro life.

but this doesn't mean our fight for the unborn is pointless. We must remember that evey day women are trying to make a decision on whether to have an abortion or not. Part of the pro life movement is to help women choose life over death, and have their baby. Then help them raise their child if they need help and help them get on their feet. Plus even if we were to outlaw abortion people would still have them. We end abortion all together by changing hearts not by changing the law.






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notslim99
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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you are correct with the state of politics in this country and with the way social issues are now becoming an after thought, I don't see any politican putting his entier effort into abortion, he may call himself pro life, but he will never draft legislation, he will never get on the stand and fight for the unborn, he just votes pro life.


This is the unfortunate reality. The human rights of the unborn have been held hostage by those who would marginalize this into a social issue. Will we ever see a proper movement to end the murder of the unborn? I hope so.






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Keltic Tiger
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


Sorry, but it does not take any "mental gymnastics" to convince me. Your beliefs are yours, based on your religious beliefs. Mine are different, based on my religious beliefs. It would seem I missed the public notice that yours are correct & mind are wrong. Look at it any way you want, but those beliefs, expressed in horrible fashion, helped elect those that are openly pro abortion. I am more along the line of pro choice, certainly when it is the politicians who are being asked to vote on its morality.





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catholictigerfan
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It would seem I missed the public notice that yours are correct & mind are wrong


if you are going to make this argument why should we even make arguments, how can we be sure any of our arguments represent the truth.






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MrTide33
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Sorry, but it does not take any "mental gymnastics" to convince me. Your beliefs are yours, based on your religious beliefs. Mine are different, based on my religious beliefs. It would seem I missed the public notice that yours are correct & mind are wrong. Look at it any way you want, but those beliefs, expressed in horrible fashion, helped elect those that are openly pro abortion. I am more along the line of pro choice, certainly when it is the politicians who are being asked to vote on its morality


I'm sorry, but my religious beliefs have nothing to do with it. My natural morality is against killing innocent human life. Our country legislates it. They dont legislate against this issue curently. I believe its wrong due to science. The mainstream media just throws the word religion at it to get everyone to hate pro-lifers as if we're forcing a religion on you. For those who say that government cannot legislate morality, I say you know absolutley nothing about law.






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Methuselah
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


I don't know if I believe it's murder. Probably would say no if I had to give a definitive answer.

I do think it's something that the states should have the right to legislate on/make illegal. Even is you use a "compelling governmental interest" test.






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The Future
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Yes it is.





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Keltic Tiger
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I am not trying to win any argument here. The pro lifers, and I do respect their opinions & beliefs, are the ones trying to change my mind by proposing that their beliefs are the only ones that matter. It is all black & white,they are right, I am wrong. They don't seem to respect mine is my bitch. My feelings bout an abortion being murder, black & white, non negotionable, are colored by this one experience, to a large extent. My sister was raped, tortured, mentally & physically abused by one of the sickest perverts imaginable. Her rape was not simply a matter of lying there & taking it. As a result, she became pregnant. It's taken her yrs to get back to semi normal in her life, and there is no way in hell that she could have endured 9 mths of pregnancy, each wk, each mth another reminder of the horrors she was subjected to. Sorry, her mental & physical well being was a hell of a lot more important than any "murder".





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catholictigerfan
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I am not trying to win any argument here. The pro lifers, and I do respect their opinions & beliefs, are the ones trying to change my mind by proposing that their beliefs are the only ones that matter. It is all black & white,they are right, I am wrong. They don't seem to respect mine is my bitch. My feelings bout an abortion being murder, black & white, non negotionable, are colored by this one experience, to a large extent. My sister was raped, tortured, mentally & physically abused by one of the sickest perverts imaginable. Her rape was not simply a matter of lying there & taking it. As a result, she became pregnant. It's taken her yrs to get back to semi normal in her life, and there is no way in hell that she could have endured 9 mths of pregnancy, each wk, each mth another reminder of the horrors she was subjected to. Sorry, her mental & physical well being was a hell of a lot more important than any "murder".


the point that I'm trying to make is that there is a reason pro lifers think our position is superior to others, we must examine that as well, and just saying how do you know yours is better then mine doesn't work as a rebuttal of our view.

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My sister was raped, tortured, mentally & physically abused by one of the sickest perverts imaginable. Her rape was not simply a matter of lying there & taking it. As a result, she became pregnant. It's taken her yrs to get back to semi normal in her life, and there is no way in hell that she could have endured 9 mths of pregnancy, each wk, each mth another reminder of the horrors she was subjected to. Sorry, her mental & physical well being was a hell of a lot more important than any "murder".


I'm sorry this had to happen to your sister and I understand how difficult it can be to go through this, I see how it has an impact on your side of the issue . Having a discussion on this may be to emotional to you, and please don't feel like you need to disucss this. But let me ask you this, do you believe it is wrong to kill innocent human beings in ALL circumstances?



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MrTide33
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My sister was raped, tortured, mentally & physically abused by one of the sickest perverts imaginable. Her rape was not simply a matter of lying there & taking it. As a result, she became pregnant. It's taken her yrs to get back to semi normal in her life, and there is no way in hell that she could have endured 9 mths of pregnancy, each wk, each mth another reminder of the horrors she was subjected to. Sorry, her mental & physical well being was a hell of a lot more important than any "murder".


I actually respect your opinion, and absolutely despise what happened to your sister. I'm simply trying to shed light on the fact that, scientifically, fetus are living human beings and have an inalienable right to life. It would have been extremely difficult for her to bring the baby to term, but if she could have seen the one beautiful thing that could come out of such a dark situation, dont you think it could have even provided some healing? I know not all people find that to be the case so don't chew me out. I really make every attempt to be completely respectful in every situation






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BeeFense5
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


That's a horrible thing that happened to your sister but that is a totally irrational way to justify the killing of innocent lives.





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Bloodworth
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Is Abortion Murder?


Drop the question mark and flip flop the first two words and you have the answer.

For those of you that arent sure...ask yourself if you believe in God. Would God support abortion? Hmmm.... Im gonna guess no.

Most people that truly have God in their hearts do not support this man made medical skill that makes ending pregnancy possible and safe.

Why take the chance?

Fear of God should not be under estimated.







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Keltic Tiger
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Once again, I am being irrational because of my beliefs, beliefs strongly shaped by my sister's experience. You focus on the "innocent life". Her husband, her son, our mother & father, myself, we all chose to focus on her mental & physical well being. But, I am curious, what actually is irrational bout it? In your safe & sane world as you live it today, you are obviously able to sit down & rationalize everything & anything. She was brutalized for 2 days & nites. There is nothing rational bout that experience or anything that came from it. I resent, deeply, that you feel free to judge her, me, the family, in any way bout any of this. You mentioned in one of your early posts bout disliking being considered "extreme". For you to stick your nose in the family's business, out of a feeling that your beliefs are superior, IS the ultimate in extremism, my opinion. You have no right to judge her.





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Keltic Tiger
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


I am not sure I understand your question, catholictigerfan. I'll repeat, in this particular circumstance, her mental & physical well being were the only things important to any of us. She did make the final decision, if that matters. As for thinking your position is superor to mine, feel free to think so. I am not trying to change your position at all. You are fully entitled to them, and I mean that sincerely. Just accept that I am entitled to mine as well.





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gamatt53
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


Should we charge pregnant mothers with child abuse if they engage in risky behavior like smoking or drinking? Or jumping up and down?





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Keltic Tiger
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Mr.Tide, I respect your beliefs as you appear sincere in them. I have no issue with agreeing that govt can & should legislate morality. I just have serious problems with this particular issue, as I know, too well, that politicians in general, and many specifically, are the last people I want involved in telling me what is immoral/moral.Be honest, do you not believe that more than a few of these fine, upstanding people, locally & nationally, have not gotten their girlfriends/mistresses pregnant & had them under go an abortion to save their reputations? Yet they are able to legislate on my morals?





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speckledtrout
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


Yes. I consider a human to be dead when the heart has ceased to beat. Same goes for an embryo. As soon as a heartbeat is discovered then that is a human life.







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NC_Tigah
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re: Is Abortion Murder?


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Brain Activity would be the cutoff.

The reasoning is that without brain activity you aren't much more than a vegetable.
That would allow for termination of nearly half the electorate.






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speckledtrout
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That would allow for termination of nearly half the electorate.









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